Mr./Ms. Fix-it?

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Scott Ginesi

Have the tools & know the boat.

Carry the tools you will need to fix any critical system yourself when offshore/nearshore. Familarize yourself with all the potential systems that may fail while using your boat and be prepared to fix them yourself. Proper tools, spare parts, and common sense will probably bring you home quicker than waiting for help to arrive. If you are shoreside and can afford to hire jobs out by all means do it. You can attend to other boat issues/fun jobs and let someone else do the dirty work and maybe even learn a thing or two from them in the process, better preparing you for a time when someone else isn't there to help. I was never a Boy Scout but their motto applies well while boating.........Be prepared.
 
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Steve G.

Know Your Boat

This article puts me in mind of the old "Star Trek". No matter how bad the damage, Captain Kirk would (in a bad-acting sort of way) tell Scotty to fix the problem. I remember thinking; "Boy, he must know everything about that ship". As a teen, I learned everything about my 40HP Johnson outboard because I had little money and the @#$#! thing was always breaking down. Nowadays, I know every nut, screw, washer and fuse in my 33' Hunter because I've basically rebuilt it myself. I know the rigging for the same reasons. OH yeah, has anyone ever shelled out a hundred and not had the job done right? Some dummy replaces a filter on your deisel and misses the crack in the filter housing? I uhh.. know someone that happened to. I must admit, I didn't MAKE the new shrouds, but I knew when I needed them.>>Shaft couplings, stuffing boxes>> they're not rocket science, just trust yourself, and maybe borrow a torch for the former. About the only job I'll give a mechanic is replacing the motor mounts next year. I just can't see myself lifting the engine, Then again, my wife will probably talk me into it.
 
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Steve G.

Oh Yeah, Almost Forgot

The "ask all sailors" menu on this sight has gotten me through a pinch or two. Happy Sailing>>
 
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Tony.

Fixing is a breeze

I have a 24 year old boat with the original water cooled engine plus a spare engine sitting in my garage waiting for the terminal symptoms as they become more prominent as the original engine gets older. I have modified just about every part of the cooling system with more durable components that allow me to fix them if I am in transit. The electrical system has passed it's used by date and started breaking down, the original wire used was not tinned copper like the cable I used as a replacement. I antifoul the bottom every two and a half years and use a scuba set to keep the bottom looking and performing like new every 4 to 6 months. I have re rigged and strengthened the boat. The mast has been removed, repainted and upgraded which cost me significantly less than using professional riggers. Installing equipment like headsail furlers and winches become costly if you need to call on tradespersons to perform the installation but other than time, the only extra cost is usually nuts and bolts. When I reach a situation where I am in doubt as to the direction to take, there is always help available for little or no cost by utilising experiences that your colleagues have had. These are just a few of the things that I have changed or replaced on my ageing boat in the last 7 years and I haven't mentioned the instruments all electrics, prop shaft worn through the hull needing glass work done, anchor winch installation, stainless steel rails. I would not be able to own a boat without the ability to fix it plus it gives me the confidence to use the boat to it's capabilities which is important with a boat that is only designed for coastal cruising in light weather, after some strengthening of the rigging. I must say that most of my neighbours at the marina are prepared to do likewise I agree that coming from an engineering trade background I not only enjoy the sailing but I enjoy fixing and improving things. And I have been able to sail every week-end with the exception of 3 for the last 12 months I find boating is a way of life that sometimes conflicts with my social commitments, but you can probably guess which one wins in the end.
 
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Tim Purcell

If you received value for your money

I'm not a welder or a machinist, so I have to farm those things out. I do everything else myself, including replacing the engine. If I had a good machine, I'd repair my own sails too. Now we are being forced to pay a yard to do bottom jobs, due to environmental concerns. Last year was the first time. They said "oh, need to replace that cutless bearing too" Then it was "well we have to remove the rudder because our puller is a certain size" Having already replaced the bearing myself previously, without removing the rudder it was galling to have them misrepresent the repair. I'm sure the person that did the work was poorly paid, with minimal skills, but that didn't bring down the cost of the repair. The corporate types that can afford to pay export jobs and wonder why they receive shoddy work.
 
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Alan Dodd

Scope out the job first

Whenever there is an important job to do on the boat, the first step is to figure just how deep into the job you will be before you have solved it or you have to get professional help. Whenever you have to get help, you don't want to make the job more expensive by having the pros have to undo the mess you made before they can do the job right. Figure it our first, and call in the help when you know you will be over your head.
 
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Mattie

Ooops it broke, AGAIN...

Oooops it broke, AGAIN... I am 16 years old and i have made many repairs to my dad's Oday, Let me mention these things were repaired before, by my dad. Everytime something goes wrong, I fix it (while the Old Man sits below drinking coffee). I have wired and mounted an Anntenae (is that how it is spelled?) I have retrieved lost halyards and all sorts of stuff. I try to avoid drilling holes in the hull, i'll leave that to the old man, who in turn, will turn it over to the pros. Nope, i stick to easy repairs and regular maintenance tasks. However i do intend to learn major overhaul stuff soon.
 
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Brian Blevins s/v Sindarin

PAY????to have MY boat fixed????

Pay??!!?!?!to have my boat fixed,never.I cringe just having someone else haul her out and drydock her.I sold my 22 ft to buy this 28 Coronado and knew at that time my work was cut out for me.I bought a mast a mainsail and a hull (lol).Now (2 years later,and a lot o cash)she is newly rebuilt,except for bottom painting and cleaning.Pay someone else..........no way wouldnt want to have to hunt them down and kill them if something broke from stupidity on someone elses part.Larry said it all,
 
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Marshall Stiles

I recently had some experience in the area of mechanics on my 1975 vintage sailboat. My old one cylinder Yanmar was knocking loudly. Even though this is the second time I have owned this particular engine in a sailboat, I had never experienced this noise. I once had to call a mechanic when the high-pressure delivery pump failed on my previous sailboat, but the engines are pretty trouble free if you maintain them regularly. Apparently, I was fortunate to find a mechanic nearby that was willing to leave the multi-million-dollar yachts at Ocean Reef to work on my humble dreamboat. My latest experience was totally different. Since I had a good experience with the mechanic in the past, my first inclination was to call the mechanic. I spoke with him three times over a period of about a month. Although he gave no direct indication that he didn’t want to look at my engine, he kept putting me off and just wouldn’t call me to make arrangements. Another attempt with another mechanic/dealer resulted in a diagnosis that my engine should be replaced with a new or more up-to-date rebuilt model, because the parts were getting hard to find and expensive. Before I knew it, I was calling and pricing engines. I guess it is human nature to look down the easy path first for a solution. The sticker shock of new engine prices plus labor and my lack of cash finally brought me to my senses. By this time I had already said a prayer or two, as well. No body had looked at the engine besides me, and I had been willing to consider replacing it. Somebody slap me, please! Here’s where I would normally have exhibited another human characteristic, self-reliance, but I felt weak in this area of knowledge. On my many visits to the bookstore to browse the titles on boating, I had noticed several books on marine diesel mechanics. I bought one. It turned out to be a very good guide for maintenance, but didn’t appear to have an identifiable diagnosis or solution to the problem. Back I went to the bookstore to buy another book. This time I found Nigel Calder’s book. It did not just describe the problem and then give a solution. It told me how to troubleshoot the problem in order to reduce the possibilities. With my son’s assistance, we ran the test for identifying the source of the knock. We were ready to celebrate at the result, because it eliminated all the worst possibilities. It was not a mechanical knock, but it sure had sounded like metal clanking. In his book, Nigel had pointed out that mechanical and fuel related knocks could be indistinguishable. The test had been so simple. You run the engine at high Rpm’s then suddenly put the throttle in the off position to cut off fuel to the engine. The engine then coasts to a stop. While it is coasting a mechanical noise will continue, but a fuel related one ceases instantly. Since the noise had ceased, we checked the torque the bolts on the head and checked the valve clearance and changed both primary and secondary fuel filters and vented the fuel system. The knock was totally gone! Oh yea, I also found out that parts are available and not very expensive. It would have cost about $300.00 to $400.00 worth of parts to rebuild the whole engine. The engine had appeared to me to be a black box of mystery, but now I was in love with it! I will not be so fast with the wallet next time.
 
Dec 3, 2003
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Hunter Legend 37 Portsmouth, RI
Everything but technical

I'll do everything short of ripping the engine apart or playing with the standing rigging. I'll do everything, including maintenance. If it's engine work such as changing a mixing elbow or replacing a cutless bearing, experience is the key factor. If I don't have experiece, a short job could turn into a big one. In that case I'll let the yard do it. If I get into trouble on the water, I can usually bail myself out. But I do have towing insurance - just in case.
 
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BILL ROBB

Depends on the boat

Well - I guess it depends on the boat. My O'DAY 25 was simple enough that I could work on everything on-board that needed to be done. When I moved up to an O'DAY 30, the systems were corospondingly more sophisticated. I'm slowly learning these systems but still leave engine maintenance to an authorized professional. Costs a lot, but it's the insurance I need if I'm going to trust myself and my family to the boat! Bill on STARGAZER
 
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Dana Barlow,C&C 30' Mega,trailersailor

What check book??I know were the Wrench goes

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Tom

I am mechanically challenged also.

I have the same problem as Steve. If I try to fix something it just ends up worst and I have to pay someone to fix the problem and fix what I have done. My solution is that I bought a new boat from a dealer that really backs up his boats and I have my boat docked at a marina that has an excellent mechanic. I have a 36 foot boat rather than a 40 foot and I have built the repair costs in my budget. I also have regular maintenance done on the boat to catch problems before they impact my sailing time. I would rather spend time sailing anyway so it works for me.
 
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Skip McCullough

Know your Boat

I currently own a 1986 Oday 40, that I purchased in 2000, and I like to think my wife and I have brought her back to life. I get great enjoyment out of working on her and hearing compliments on how good she looks. We have done all the work to this point by ourselves and much of it has been done under a cover in the middle of winter. It gives me something to do on sunny winter days. I have found that most companies like Westerbeke, PYI, Jack Rabbit Marine, and Edson to name a few all have websites and answer emailed questions in very short order and are very helpful. It is my feeling the more you do, the more you know about your own boat and the more prepared you are in emergencies. When you have work done by someone and are not even present, you miss some important knowledge that might save you a major problem down the line. You are not always in an area were there is a marina or mechanic handy and have to rely on what you know, and being under stress is not a good time to learn. I owned my previous boat, a Cal 36, for 34 years and knew just about every nut and bolt on the boat. I do not know this boat quite as well, but am learning and every system that I rebuild or work on gives me more knowledge on how to fix and maintain them, and once you start a preventive maintenance it save time, money and problems down the line.
 
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Stephen Fierro

What's the worst that could happen?

I recently bought my first boat and am leaning a few leasons really quick. 1. The boat repair industry sucks. It has given me new respect for auto machanics and lawyers. (both just seem more honest now) I dropped off my engine to be tested and try to start it. They checked the oil, compresion and spark on a 10hp outboard and this took them two hours. I have worked on engines for many years. I could have done this in 20 minutes with the proper equipment. I was told it would only take one. Then they told me my starter was 'tired' and needed to be replaced. This would take another 3 hours labor. This is all at $75 per hour. I make $15 per hour. I said to myself if I get it done in under 15hours I made out. I took it home and did it myself in under 25 minutes. Didn't even have to replace the starter. Not only that, they said it would take 2 days and it took 2 weeks. 2. My idea is what is the worst that could happen. I paid very little for my boat and I figure when I have a repair what is the probability of me screwing it up and how much would it cost if I did screw it up. The final cost is always less to do it myself.
 
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Barry Eldridge

Mr./Mrs. Fixit

Am interested in the Yanmar school you attended. Could you provide me with a contact I might follow to see if such a class would be available in the San Francisco Bay Area? Thanks! Barry
 
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LEN D

IF YOU WANT IT DONE RIGHT.......

OF COURSE YOU MUST DO IT YOURSELF, THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN HAVING A PROBLEM AT SEA OR IN BAD WEATHER DUE TO INCOMPETENCE OR SOMETHING INSTALLED OR REPAIRED INCORRECTLY, DO IT RIGHT, DO IT YOURSELF !!
 
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don weaver

fix it - me or them?

The 22 with swing keel is a small and simple boat. so far I've done all my own repairs. Replaced mast and all hardware on it. Got dismasted on Galveston Bay - stress corrosion got to port deck fitting that upper shroud was attached to. Wet sail out of Pensacola's Big Lagoon.
 
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Marc

Sad Commentary

After reading most of the responses posted it is a sad commentary to the lack of quality, competance, and professionalism that so many have found in the "professional repair community".
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
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Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Some Truth To That Marc

I have done a lot of the work out of the frustration of having someone not return calls, not show, or have to do rework. I have only been skinned twice I know of. The biggest problem seems to be the engine guys, although that probably varies. Maybe our little engines are too small cash cows. I certainly know many competent and professional marine repair people, but it's after 40 years trial and error plus networking. I try to do it myself first. But sometimes even small stuff can be a pain. For example, I must have spent a half day and 50 miles trying to get rid of a gallon of anti-freeze. Rick D.
 
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