More fun with vectors

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 23.5 Calgary, Canada
Here are a couple of other uses for vector diagrams beyond the issue of sail twist in my previous post. I leave this an exercise for the Type-Anals like me. Vectors are defined as having both magnitude and direction, and magically work for both velocity and force. Vector diagrams can be used: 1) to show why when sailing to windward and you are hit with a gust of wind, the apparent wind suddenly appears to swing aft. To compensate, you head up or drop the traveler or ease the mainsheet. I suggest that the affect of this compensation is to get back to the angle of attack that you had set before the gust hit you, and perhaps even less angle of attack to further reduce the power of the sail during the gust. 2) to show how much of the force of a boom vang is pulling down on the boom and how much is pulling the boom into the mast, potentially bending the mast and flatting the main. These components vary with the angle of the vang (determined by where it attaches to the boom). A rigger told me it should be in the range of 30 to 45 degrees to the boom. At 45 degrees, the two force vectors are equal. 3) to show why forestay tension is greater than backstay tension. Assuming a masthead rig: Hint #1: because the mast is closer to the forestay, the forestay is more vertical than the backstay. Hint #2: the fore and aft horizontal force on the masthead are equal. 4) to show why it takes a tack of 90 degrees to move the masthead windex only 60 degrees. When close-hauled and the windex showing about 30 degrees off the wind, the true wind is more like 45 degrees (using my numbers of 6knots boat speed with 10 knots true wind at the deck). When tacking, it takes a turn of 45 degrees to be head to true wind, and another 45 degrees to get the same close-hauled setup on the other tack. A beam-reach to beam-rach tack in this case could be a turn of 220 degrees, not 180! Hmm, maybe a 140 degree gybe would be faster... May the Vector Force be with you. ...RickM...
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 23.5 Calgary, Canada
Oops, adding one more...

I forgot one of my favorites. I added this #4 above to my original post too. 4) to show why it takes a tack of 90 degrees to move the masthead windex only 60 degrees. When close-hauled and the windex showing about 30 degrees off the wind, the true wind is more like 45 degrees (using my numbers of 6 knots boat speed with 10 knots true wind at the deck). When tacking, it takes a turn of 45 degrees to be head to true wind, and another 45 degrees to get to the same close-hauled setup on the other tack. A beam-reach to beam-rach tack in this case could be a turn of 220 degrees, not 180! Hmm, maybe a 140 degree gybe would be faster... ...RickM...
 
May 17, 2004
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Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Rick: Holly crap, you have got to get out of the house and on to the boat as soon as possable!! I recognize all the signs of the "fever". When do you think the ice and snow will break so you can get the front door of your cabin open!!!
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Jeez, dude,

you call that fun? Talk about overANALyizing. You're giving us a headache. Just watch the telltales and enjoy the moment and forget about restating the obvious.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 23.5 Calgary, Canada
Hey, Joe,

No worries. The sailing season where I live is only 4 months long. The lake is still frozen as I write. When I'm on the water I put up the sails and enjoy the ride. I mostly only think about sail trim when the other boats on the lake are trying to catch up to me... It's just during our 8 months of winter, as cabin fever gets the best of me, that I start getting twisted. Oh, don't feel too sorry for my condition just now. In 9 days I'm off to the BVI for 10 days on an Oceanis 411 (41-footer). ...RickM...
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,258
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Ouch....

That explains it. Rick, I'm envious....BVI sounds like the cure for vector-itis (or any other type of cabin fever.) Have a blast!
 
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