O-chem was the deciding factor for my two daughters on their major. I stuck with biology and A&P
You must not be in Washington State. You cannot even buy a 12oz can of R134A anywhere in the state. It was outlawed by our dear state government....
Now that Freon® is allowed again. The military used certain Freon® in an open vats to degrease parts.
Jim...
And just because you can do a thing does not make it right to do so. You just told us chemistry is not your thing.... Now that Freon® is allowed again. The military used certain Freon® in an open vats to degrease parts.
Jim...
Put it in a tupperware and let them soak then use a nylon or brass brush. Tip Charcoal Lighter fluid is far less expensive than mineral spirits and is the same as far as degreasing.. I use the expert grill brand from wal*mart. It goes on sale every fall. last fall I picked up nine 64oz bottles for $1.99 each...Every year or two I disassemble my winches, clean the gears with mineral spirits, and reassemble them. With four 2-speed winches this takes a remarkably long time (about 45 minutes per winch). Most of the time is spent cleaning old grease from between individual teeth of the gears.
Is there any more efficient way to clean the gears? The mineral spirits loosen the grease pretty well but it still takes a long time with a folded paper towel to chisel it out from each gap. Sure would be nice if there were a way to just clean all the teeth at once.
Pro-tip!last fall I picked up nine 64oz bottles for $1.99 each...
You cannot even buy a 12oz can of R134A anywhere in the state[WA]. It was outlawed by our dear state government.
I use disposable mascara brushes to clean the gears after soaking. They are just the right size.Thank you all for the suggestions. This is very helpful information. Next time I’ll try toluene and/or letting the gears bathe overnight.
Well that does sound like a more fun solution! I’ll need to think about more use cases for something like that than a winch cleaning every 1-2 years.
That’s what the manual says. Specifically “they must be completely overhauled, cleaned and lubricated at least every 12 months.” That’s probably overkill, although there is a significant amount of dirt in the mineral sprits by the time I’m done.
Yes, I use Harken or Lewmar grease. It’s not hardened, but it doesn’t just come off without some amount of wiping with a paper towel. A longer soak might help make that easier. Good point that I could probably leave some inside the teeth and it wouldn’t be the end of the world. I just wouldn’t want to leave the same grease in a spot repeatedly and have it harden and gather dirt.
You obviously have not spent much time in Washington. Facts to not matter to our state government. This is not the first time they have done something like this.Drive to Idaho
here are the facts...
Automotive service technicians depend on Freon™ 134a (R-134a) refrigerant, a non-ozone depleting hydrofluorocarbon (HFC) replacement for R-12. Freon™ 134a is the standard in many mobile air conditioning (AC) units, and also replaces R-12 in:
Oh well...
Jim...
PS : R-22 [most AC's] which is banned in USA and now has a direct replacement too.
Freon™ MO29 (R-422D) Refrigerant | R-22 Replacement
I am conscious to not overuse the grease, and obviously never get it on the pawls. I put a pea sized amount on a fingertip, touch a gear tooth, then turn the gear letting every few teeth grab a little bit as they pass. It’s not like when I go to clean them they’re swimming in old grease. Maybe I’m just too particular about trying to clean every little bit out when I clean them, or I’m just not soaking long enough to help clean off what’s left.Who'd thunk, 50 replies to a post on cleaning gears! Wow, I never thought twice about it - coffee can and odorless mineral spirits.
I think one problem is that people use too much grease. "Slathering" the gears with grease doesn't create a reservoir for grease in case the grease somehow runs out from the contact surfaces, it only creates a reservoir for dirt! A grease should be specified that stays in place on the bearing surfaces. All you need is the film on those surfaces, if you have the correct grease. Geez, you could even apply it with a paintbrush! Then when you rebuild it's a cinch to remove the old stuff, as it is less of a mess and less dirty. Just my way, I'm sure folks will disagree, but I've never experienced a wear problem this way, and cleaning is easy.
After 17 years of retirement maybe I have too much time on my hands but I am often looking for something to do for 45 minutes. Especially in the off sailing season.With four 2-speed winches this takes a remarkably long time (about 45 minutes per winch).
One should note that paraffin in Europe is kerosene. It would be a poor idea to bathe the winch in US paraffin.After 17 years of retirement maybe I have too much time on my hands but I am often looking for something to do for 45 minutes. Especially in the off sailing season.
I’m not sure what make your winches are but the Lewmar Service Manual provides this information. I know I am going around the buoy again on this one; but, honestly 45 minutes to properly service a single winch every 2 or 3 years seems reasonable to me.
Lewmar B2304 Issue 6 Winch Service Manual
“CLEANING All components should be removed and cleaned in a paraffin bath in the course of servicing. If you do not have access to a paraffin bath, use half of an old plastic container with an old toothbrush. Even a cotton cloth soaked in paraffin or white spirit will suffice.
CAUTION Some Lewmar winches contain plastic components which may be damaged by inappropriate cleaning agents. Always check the manufacturer’s directions before using any cleaning agents.
GREASING Never use grease to lubricate your pawls, as this can lead to pawls sticking in their pockets and disabling the winch. Instead, lubricate with a light engine oil. Use only a light smear of winch grease when lubricating ratchet tracks, gear teeth and bearings. Otherwise, excess grease will be forced out and will collect in potentially dangerous areas, such as pawl pockets.”
It would be a poor idea to bathe the winch in US paraffin.![]()
Yep repeats may help some. @rgrangerMineral Spirts or charcoal lighter won't blow you up.
And kerosene is not all that much different from diesel or #2 fuel oil, or mineral spirits or jet fuel. Mineral spirits wins because it stinks the least.
And we are back to @Maine Sail 's suggestion to use BBQ lighter fluid.... which is essentially kerosene...I like circles.
JP4 for USA military is close to Kerosene but NOT the same.And kerosene is not all that much different [jet fuel]
Good wikis.. thnxYep repeats may help some. @rgranger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_spirit [mineral sprits]
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_naphtha [Charcoal Lighter]
Jim...
And we are back to @Maine Sail 's suggestion to use BBQ lighter fluid.... which is essentially kerosene...I like circles.