We keep our Hunter 22 on a mooring in a nearby cove. For the past three years we have put two mooring lines on her with both tied off on the fore deck cleat. The thought is that if one gave way we would have a back up line. The worry here is that if the cleat gave then obviously so would both of the lines. I was recently told about a method of rigging one line to the deck cleat (this becomes the backup line), and fastening the other to the bow eye (this becomes the primary mooring line.) Since the eye is very strong and secure this seems reasonable to me. I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject. Thanx garyg
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Mark Malcolm
It's the only way I've done it....
...I was taught to use the bow eye and never use the cleat - especially for longterm or unsupervised moorings. Even the backup went to the bow eye. But, I like the idea of the backup going to the cleat (just to have an alternate purchase somewhere) but would be concerned about the relative strength compared to a bow eye. I do use the cleat as a temporary tie while I'm hanging off the bow connecting the bow eye/mooring.
...I was taught to use the bow eye and never use the cleat - especially for longterm or unsupervised moorings. Even the backup went to the bow eye. But, I like the idea of the backup going to the cleat (just to have an alternate purchase somewhere) but would be concerned about the relative strength compared to a bow eye. I do use the cleat as a temporary tie while I'm hanging off the bow connecting the bow eye/mooring.
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Daniel
Another way...
Usually have seen people tie main line to bow cleat and the secondary line to the mast. Daniel
Usually have seen people tie main line to bow cleat and the secondary line to the mast. Daniel
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Greg
The way we did it....
In Newport RI we use to have two lines connected between the bow eye and the mooring. The second of the two lines would be about a foot longer than the first.. this way if one broke the second would take over the load. Alot of the other boats were set up that way too although i did see some with one line to the cleat and one to the bow eye... Guess its just what you feel comfortable with.
In Newport RI we use to have two lines connected between the bow eye and the mooring. The second of the two lines would be about a foot longer than the first.. this way if one broke the second would take over the load. Alot of the other boats were set up that way too although i did see some with one line to the cleat and one to the bow eye... Guess its just what you feel comfortable with.
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Greg
The way we did it....
In Newport RI we use to have two lines connected between the bow eye and the mooring. The second of the two lines would be about a foot longer than the first.. this way if one broke the second would take over the load. Alot of the other boats were set up that way too although i did see some with one line to the cleat and one to the bow eye... Guess its just what you feel comfortable with.
In Newport RI we use to have two lines connected between the bow eye and the mooring. The second of the two lines would be about a foot longer than the first.. this way if one broke the second would take over the load. Alot of the other boats were set up that way too although i did see some with one line to the cleat and one to the bow eye... Guess its just what you feel comfortable with.
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Chuck
1981 H22
Ever since Seascouts I have been using the bow deck cleat. Mooring is what it's made for. That bow eye is for loading in a trailer,other than that I would NOT trust it. Where I moor we get hit by at least 1 Nor'easter a year and usually 3 or more boats are ruined. It's always due to bad mooring practices. Too small a pennant etc. In heavy seas, 4' plus, that bow eye will be torn out leaving a nasty hole or worse. The way I do it, the port pennant (3/4") goes around the cleat and the starboard pennant(3/4') goes through, then around the cleat. In a worst case scenario saying the cleat came loose the forestay bracket would take the strain. On the 81 22 the deck chocks 'just' fit the line I'm using, so they take some of the stain as well.
Ever since Seascouts I have been using the bow deck cleat. Mooring is what it's made for. That bow eye is for loading in a trailer,other than that I would NOT trust it. Where I moor we get hit by at least 1 Nor'easter a year and usually 3 or more boats are ruined. It's always due to bad mooring practices. Too small a pennant etc. In heavy seas, 4' plus, that bow eye will be torn out leaving a nasty hole or worse. The way I do it, the port pennant (3/4") goes around the cleat and the starboard pennant(3/4') goes through, then around the cleat. In a worst case scenario saying the cleat came loose the forestay bracket would take the strain. On the 81 22 the deck chocks 'just' fit the line I'm using, so they take some of the stain as well.
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Chuck
1981 H22
Ever since Seascouts I have been using the bow deck cleat. Mooring is what it's made for. That bow eye is for loading in a trailer,other than that I would NOT trust it. Where I moor we get hit by at least 1 Nor'easter a year and usually 3 or more boats are ruined. It's always due to bad mooring practices. Too small a pennant etc. In heavy seas, 4' plus, that bow eye will be torn out leaving a nasty hole or worse. The way I do it, the port pennant (3/4") goes around the cleat and the starboard pennant(3/4') goes through, then around the cleat. In a worst case scenario saying the cleat came loose the forestay bracket would take the strain. On the 81 22 the deck chocks 'just' fit the line I'm using, so they take some of the stain as well.
Ever since Seascouts I have been using the bow deck cleat. Mooring is what it's made for. That bow eye is for loading in a trailer,other than that I would NOT trust it. Where I moor we get hit by at least 1 Nor'easter a year and usually 3 or more boats are ruined. It's always due to bad mooring practices. Too small a pennant etc. In heavy seas, 4' plus, that bow eye will be torn out leaving a nasty hole or worse. The way I do it, the port pennant (3/4") goes around the cleat and the starboard pennant(3/4') goes through, then around the cleat. In a worst case scenario saying the cleat came loose the forestay bracket would take the strain. On the 81 22 the deck chocks 'just' fit the line I'm using, so they take some of the stain as well.
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Chuck
I should have mentioned...
that the reason for not using the bow eye is that it is not set up to handle the sideways movement in a rough sea, thereby tearing it loose. If it's in a truly protected anchorage, unlike mine, you may never have a problem. If however your boat will be subject to serious wave action, use the cleat and bow chocks.
that the reason for not using the bow eye is that it is not set up to handle the sideways movement in a rough sea, thereby tearing it loose. If it's in a truly protected anchorage, unlike mine, you may never have a problem. If however your boat will be subject to serious wave action, use the cleat and bow chocks.
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Chuck
I should have mentioned...
that the reason for not using the bow eye is that it is not set up to handle the sideways movement in a rough sea, thereby tearing it loose. If it's in a truly protected anchorage, unlike mine, you may never have a problem. If however your boat will be subject to serious wave action, use the cleat and bow chocks.
that the reason for not using the bow eye is that it is not set up to handle the sideways movement in a rough sea, thereby tearing it loose. If it's in a truly protected anchorage, unlike mine, you may never have a problem. If however your boat will be subject to serious wave action, use the cleat and bow chocks.
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Tom Davis
Don't do it
years ago i used to moor my newport 19 on the bow eye, that is until a good blow broke it off and also damaged the hull. luckly the boat landed on a sand beach so no futher damage was done. the bow eye just can't take much sideways force. I'm guessing that the eye on my 26 probably only has a 3/8 inch bolt holding it to the boat which is fine for a straight pull.
years ago i used to moor my newport 19 on the bow eye, that is until a good blow broke it off and also damaged the hull. luckly the boat landed on a sand beach so no futher damage was done. the bow eye just can't take much sideways force. I'm guessing that the eye on my 26 probably only has a 3/8 inch bolt holding it to the boat which is fine for a straight pull.
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Tom Davis
Don't do it
years ago i used to moor my newport 19 on the bow eye, that is until a good blow broke it off and also damaged the hull. luckly the boat landed on a sand beach so no futher damage was done. the bow eye just can't take much sideways force. I'm guessing that the eye on my 26 probably only has a 3/8 inch bolt holding it to the boat which is fine for a straight pull.
years ago i used to moor my newport 19 on the bow eye, that is until a good blow broke it off and also damaged the hull. luckly the boat landed on a sand beach so no futher damage was done. the bow eye just can't take much sideways force. I'm guessing that the eye on my 26 probably only has a 3/8 inch bolt holding it to the boat which is fine for a straight pull.
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Brian Conneely
live and learn
A few weeks ago my set up was put to the test in a NorEaster that swept up the coast and pounded the east end of Long Island. I have an H23 moored in a cove that is protected from every direction except the north east...go figure. When the storm was said and done only one of the three sails were still afloat and attached to their buoys, me being the only one. By a chance of fate, or maybe some beginners luck, I had a gut feeling the week before that I should reasses my mooring lines and tie off expecting the worse being that I wouldn't see the boat for at least two consecutive weeks...well I said all of that to say this...If I had not used the bow eye as my back up all three boats would have cracked up on a rock jetty including my own. During the storm surge my primary line was shredded due to the abrasiveness of the bow pulpit rubbing against the line as the boat was tossed all over the place in the 50+mph winds. It let go leaving only the bow ring to take on the load. I don't know what changed my mind about my previous set up (using the two bow deck cleats, which I never really did trust to begin with) but I know from now on in heavy sustained winds my primary will be the bow ring, and the other will back up on the deck. -Brian Conneely 1st year boat owner (what a ride!) Kickin' Back
A few weeks ago my set up was put to the test in a NorEaster that swept up the coast and pounded the east end of Long Island. I have an H23 moored in a cove that is protected from every direction except the north east...go figure. When the storm was said and done only one of the three sails were still afloat and attached to their buoys, me being the only one. By a chance of fate, or maybe some beginners luck, I had a gut feeling the week before that I should reasses my mooring lines and tie off expecting the worse being that I wouldn't see the boat for at least two consecutive weeks...well I said all of that to say this...If I had not used the bow eye as my back up all three boats would have cracked up on a rock jetty including my own. During the storm surge my primary line was shredded due to the abrasiveness of the bow pulpit rubbing against the line as the boat was tossed all over the place in the 50+mph winds. It let go leaving only the bow ring to take on the load. I don't know what changed my mind about my previous set up (using the two bow deck cleats, which I never really did trust to begin with) but I know from now on in heavy sustained winds my primary will be the bow ring, and the other will back up on the deck. -Brian Conneely 1st year boat owner (what a ride!) Kickin' Back
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Brian Conneely
live and learn
A few weeks ago my set up was put to the test in a NorEaster that swept up the coast and pounded the east end of Long Island. I have an H23 moored in a cove that is protected from every direction except the north east...go figure. When the storm was said and done only one of the three sails were still afloat and attached to their buoys, me being the only one. By a chance of fate, or maybe some beginners luck, I had a gut feeling the week before that I should reasses my mooring lines and tie off expecting the worse being that I wouldn't see the boat for at least two consecutive weeks...well I said all of that to say this...If I had not used the bow eye as my back up all three boats would have cracked up on a rock jetty including my own. During the storm surge my primary line was shredded due to the abrasiveness of the bow pulpit rubbing against the line as the boat was tossed all over the place in the 50+mph winds. It let go leaving only the bow ring to take on the load. I don't know what changed my mind about my previous set up (using the two bow deck cleats, which I never really did trust to begin with) but I know from now on in heavy sustained winds my primary will be the bow ring, and the other will back up on the deck. -Brian Conneely 1st year boat owner (what a ride!) Kickin' Back
A few weeks ago my set up was put to the test in a NorEaster that swept up the coast and pounded the east end of Long Island. I have an H23 moored in a cove that is protected from every direction except the north east...go figure. When the storm was said and done only one of the three sails were still afloat and attached to their buoys, me being the only one. By a chance of fate, or maybe some beginners luck, I had a gut feeling the week before that I should reasses my mooring lines and tie off expecting the worse being that I wouldn't see the boat for at least two consecutive weeks...well I said all of that to say this...If I had not used the bow eye as my back up all three boats would have cracked up on a rock jetty including my own. During the storm surge my primary line was shredded due to the abrasiveness of the bow pulpit rubbing against the line as the boat was tossed all over the place in the 50+mph winds. It let go leaving only the bow ring to take on the load. I don't know what changed my mind about my previous set up (using the two bow deck cleats, which I never really did trust to begin with) but I know from now on in heavy sustained winds my primary will be the bow ring, and the other will back up on the deck. -Brian Conneely 1st year boat owner (what a ride!) Kickin' Back
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Chuck
No chocks?
Doesn't the boat have bow chocks? A nice piece of luck no doubt. I would seriously look into a better cleat, chock set-up. A third, slightly longer line to the bow eye as an emergency would be cool if you know a blow is coming. If your equipment looks suspect in the least, change out for a heavy duty cleat bolted through a backplate. That will NOT come loose.
Doesn't the boat have bow chocks? A nice piece of luck no doubt. I would seriously look into a better cleat, chock set-up. A third, slightly longer line to the bow eye as an emergency would be cool if you know a blow is coming. If your equipment looks suspect in the least, change out for a heavy duty cleat bolted through a backplate. That will NOT come loose.
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Chuck
No chocks?
Doesn't the boat have bow chocks? A nice piece of luck no doubt. I would seriously look into a better cleat, chock set-up. A third, slightly longer line to the bow eye as an emergency would be cool if you know a blow is coming. If your equipment looks suspect in the least, change out for a heavy duty cleat bolted through a backplate. That will NOT come loose.
Doesn't the boat have bow chocks? A nice piece of luck no doubt. I would seriously look into a better cleat, chock set-up. A third, slightly longer line to the bow eye as an emergency would be cool if you know a blow is coming. If your equipment looks suspect in the least, change out for a heavy duty cleat bolted through a backplate. That will NOT come loose.
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Jeff Peltier
bow eye
Caution should be used when using the bow eye when securing to docks, but many people get into trouble by using line that is sized wrong or non-stretching. This can put a considerable shock load on both the boat and dock. Many times I have seen bow and stern lines too tight. This doesn't allow the boat to rock and roll without trying to lift the dock out of the water. Jeff Peltier
Caution should be used when using the bow eye when securing to docks, but many people get into trouble by using line that is sized wrong or non-stretching. This can put a considerable shock load on both the boat and dock. Many times I have seen bow and stern lines too tight. This doesn't allow the boat to rock and roll without trying to lift the dock out of the water. Jeff Peltier
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Jeff Peltier
bow eye
Caution should be used when using the bow eye when securing to docks, but many people get into trouble by using line that is sized wrong or non-stretching. This can put a considerable shock load on both the boat and dock. Many times I have seen bow and stern lines too tight. This doesn't allow the boat to rock and roll without trying to lift the dock out of the water. Jeff Peltier
Caution should be used when using the bow eye when securing to docks, but many people get into trouble by using line that is sized wrong or non-stretching. This can put a considerable shock load on both the boat and dock. Many times I have seen bow and stern lines too tight. This doesn't allow the boat to rock and roll without trying to lift the dock out of the water. Jeff Peltier
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