Mixing Elbow question

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Apr 5, 2012
20
seaside Hunter Legend 37.5 SF Bay
Last weekend while working at my Yanmar 3JH2E, I noticed that my U shaped cast iron mixing elbow had a hair line crack on the side. I discided to take it off and inspect it closer. Once I removed the mixing elbow, I could see that it was almost plugged solid with crud buildup inside. I called Yanmar for a replacement to find the cost close to $550 for this item. As I am not crazy about dropping $550 on this, has anyone ever heard of making one of these? I can fabricate the cast iron pipe 45 degree elbows into a U shape and drill a hole to accomodate an inlet fitting to dump seawater into the pipe. Is that all there is to this? Any experience with this would be appreciated.
Thanks.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,262
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
That is Positively, Exactly .......................

Last weekend while working at my Yanmar 3JH2E, I noticed that my U shaped cast iron mixing elbow had a hair line crack on the side. I discided to take it off and inspect it closer. Once I removed the mixing elbow, I could see that it was almost plugged solid with crud buildup inside. I called Yanmar for a replacement to find the cost close to $550 for this item. As I am not crazy about dropping $550 on this, has anyone ever heard of making one of these? I can fabricate the cast iron pipe 45 degree elbows into a U shape and drill a hole to accomodate an inlet fitting to dump seawater into the pipe. Is that all there is to this? Any experience with this would be appreciated.
Thanks.
.................. the route I would go if my Yanmar 2GM20F weren't stored in a Nike shoe box under my companionway stairs. Due to clearnce limitations in the shoe box, it's impossible to use anything but the compact "U' mixing elbow. I seem to replace it about every three years and the last cost (this year) was $382.35 :eek:.

Attached is a picture of a mixing elbow I made for a friend years ago on his mid 80's Catalina 27 with an Atomic engine. He had had the boat for a good number of years and swears that the rusted out piping that had failed was the original piping installed by Catalina. It was corroded to thinner than tissue paper. He insisted that I match the original design (more like a happening) exactly. I matched the dimensions exactly (1-1/2" pipe) but used schedule 80 pipe (also referred to as "extra strong"). This is a heavier thickness than the commonly available schedule 40. Elbows and other fittings were rated at 150 PSI malleable iron. Again, commonly available.

The short vertical piece of pipe behind the water injection hose appears to be what is called a "drip leg". It's only purpose, I can see, is to catch any splashes of water which may try to head back towards the exhaust manifold. Doubtful.

If I could fit one of these babies on to my current engine in the shoe box, I would:

  1. Use schedule 40 pipe before the water injection. Healthy environment for steel.
  2. Use schedule 80 pipe after the water injection. This provides extra metal for the extreme corrosion conditions.
  3. Use smaller piping from the exhaust header to the water injection point. This is taken from the rather small X-sectional diameter found in the U shaped elbow (see sectioned elbow). Clogging does not start until the gasses touch the cooler metal which are cooled by the water injection.
  4. Make all pipe nipples (short pieces of pipe) as short as possible to avoid excessive bending loads on the exhaust manifold. This thing can become heavy if you're not careful with your dimensions.
  5. Increase the piping to 2" diameter just past the water injection point to match the 2" wet exhaust hose, and again, as short as possible.
  6. Insulate up to the point of water injection.
The schedule 80 pipe nipples are only available from a commercial piping supplier. If you decide to go with schedule 40 pipe nipples (regular piping) it just means you have to keep a closer eye on it for corrosion. This become a question of cleaning the cold plugged portion of the thicker piping every few years OR replacing the cold plugged portion of light piping every few years. Comes down to personal preference really. Also, don't cut or drill any of the pipe. Use all threaded pipe fittings for security against corrosion. Ensure you do not inject the cooling water in a way that could splash back towards the exhaust manifold. There is very little pressure in the piping.

Just a final suggestion to research,either here or the web, to make sure you observe correct elevations and the use of a vacuum breaker, if required, when you put this together. You don't want sea water dribbling back into your exhaust manifold :cussing:.
 

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May 24, 2004
470
Hunter 33.5 Portsmouth, RI
I replaced my Mixing Elbow in March 2006 for $468 for the Elbow, Connector, and yard Labor. You can scale it up from then. $550 for just the Elbow sounds high. Check with various Yanmar dealers, and with Mack Boring, in Union, NJ.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
G:

Check with Boatswains Locker in Southern Cal. You cannot purchase Yanmar parts from the dealer/distributors listed above. They are the master distributor for the west coast.

Boatswain's Locker
931 W. 18th Street
Costa Mesa, CA 92627 USA

Call 949-642-6800 or 866-954-2676
Fax949-642-1463
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Mine broke at a weld point last year. I fabricated a new one from black iron pipe from Home Depot and used it for 4 months last season. No issues.

From my research the key is to have a bend (made with elbows) that creates a loop above the exhaust port on the engine. The water injection port is then added on the down side of the loop so that water can't back flow into the block and hydro lock the engine. I didn't drill and tap to add the injection point, I just used a reducing T and bushings.

During the winter I had my original repaired by a stainless steal welder and put it back on. I keep the one I made on board as a backup.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,262
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Nice Save .................

This worked for me in a pinch. Note the position of the water injection.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=833066&highlight=allan12210
What interests me is WHY the LH/RH threaded connector chose to break at that particular point. On my 13 year old exhaust system, everything up to the mixing elbow is in pristeen condition internally. After that, it's every man for himself.

Any thoughts as to why the coupling chose to fail at that point ?
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
I know that $500 seems like a lot of money, but could be a new engine to the tune of $10k - $12k if it is not done properly.

I would just shop around for some better pricing and see if there are any deals out there.
 
Mar 16, 2009
303
Hunter Vision-36 Richmond
I know that $500 seems like a lot of money, but could be a new engine to the tune of $10k - $12k if it is not done properly.

I would just shop around for some better pricing and see if there are any deals out there.
Steve:

Have you replaced yours yet? I acid boiled mine last year and it was getting thin.

Mike
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,666
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
What interests me is WHY the LH/RH threaded connector chose to break at that particular point. On my 13 year old exhaust system, everything up to the mixing elbow is in pristeen condition internally. After that, it's every man for himself.

Any thoughts as to why the coupling chose to fail at that point ?
Good question. Back in the day I took a class in "Fracture Mechanics". I know, injunear. We learned that sharp cuts in metals focus the stresses in that area requiring a lot less force to break than what it normally takes to exceed the bulk strength of the material. Thats why you usually see a radius when a step is machined into metal rather than a sharp corner. So with the constant vibration of the engine shaking that heavy mass of mixing elbow, it was bound to fail there. The section is pretty thin compared to that robust casting and it erodes away from the inside as well. Stainless isn't that great when exposed to really hot water.

Allan
 
Apr 20, 2010
119
Hunter 34 San Mateo
George:

Call Drake's Marine in South SF or Bill's Marine to get a price. I bought a full assembly last year for less than $500, with no shipping costs. Unless there has been a big price increase, I think you should get a similar price. Also, make sure you you assemble this item outside the boat so you can get enough leverage so that most of the thread on the coupling is swallowed by the assembly. It's impossible to get the proper fit in the engine compartment on a 1984 Hunter 34. I just had Bill's Marine tighten mine up. If you don't get it tight enough, the engine vibration will work it loose. Trust me on this.
 
Apr 5, 2012
20
seaside Hunter Legend 37.5 SF Bay
Many thanks for everyone's input - that is the great thing about this site- the needed info is free and accurate. I decided to buy the replacement mixing elbow as I do not want to take the chance of seawater entering the motor. BTW- there are many variations of mixing elbows and after searching online I was able to find the replacement part for much less. Thanks all.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,262
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
More Details Please .................

BTW- there are many variations of mixing elbows and after searching online I was able to find the replacement part for much less. Thanks all.
Can you provide us with the details of the mixing elbow you finally did purchase for much less ? This does sound interesting.
 
Apr 5, 2012
20
seaside Hunter Legend 37.5 SF Bay
The mixing elbow that Yanmar calls for was approx $500 list and not the same design After searching online I found a picture of the exact U shape cast iron unit that is bolted onto my motor which is a different part number than what Yanmar provides.
Part number 124070-13520 can be found at a considerably cheaper price ($195.00) and was in the end what I needed which is used in tight quarters to keep the exhaust hose inside the dog house. Different variations of the last 5 numbers signifies different sizes of the seawater inlet fitting.
Cheers
 
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