Missing sailor in New Hampshire
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Nothing new today
Really no new news today. One local station has given up on the story. The Union Leader just updated. Saying now maybe no PFD (but nothing to back it) and was in a 24 foot boat. PFD or not, this is sad (and personally, I don't wear one, may be different if I was not a "lake" sailor).
Really no new news today. One local station has given up on the story. The Union Leader just updated. Saying now maybe no PFD (but nothing to back it) and was in a 24 foot boat. PFD or not, this is sad (and personally, I don't wear one, may be different if I was not a "lake" sailor).
A sad story. I would have thought he would have
showed up by now if he fell off and swam to shore (he was reported to be a good swimmer, PFD or not). Condolensences are due to his family no matter what happened and we may never know all the facts. My take on his demise is that he died doing something he probably loved to do very much and we should all sieze the moment (carpe diem) and live life to the fullest for as long as we have. On to the pissing match. I would side with Peggy on the 90% argument. It is not easy for a man to pee off a boat in boisterous conditions. It is easy when the water is flatter but always dangerous. I always have a hand on a stay at shoulder level when perched out on the bow or stern while trying not to moisten the new RF foresail or other crew. I don't think that any agency has relevant statistics as to how many COB (MOB) who drowned were found with their fly down AND had high alcohol blood levels as well, for instance. There are just too many statistics to be manipulated. Conditions can easily get bad enough where peeing off the boat is not feasible or reasonable. Under these conditions (close your ears ladies) I have used the sink in our galley and rinsed it with alcohol. I think that it is still illegal but no one will see you throwing a bucket of 'wastewater' overboard and the alternative is to actually use the head and Peggy's book is a great source for how to correctly deal with all the blackwater systems (no, I am not being paid, yet) and is available through this website. Anyway, it is a sad story.
showed up by now if he fell off and swam to shore (he was reported to be a good swimmer, PFD or not). Condolensences are due to his family no matter what happened and we may never know all the facts. My take on his demise is that he died doing something he probably loved to do very much and we should all sieze the moment (carpe diem) and live life to the fullest for as long as we have. On to the pissing match. I would side with Peggy on the 90% argument. It is not easy for a man to pee off a boat in boisterous conditions. It is easy when the water is flatter but always dangerous. I always have a hand on a stay at shoulder level when perched out on the bow or stern while trying not to moisten the new RF foresail or other crew. I don't think that any agency has relevant statistics as to how many COB (MOB) who drowned were found with their fly down AND had high alcohol blood levels as well, for instance. There are just too many statistics to be manipulated. Conditions can easily get bad enough where peeing off the boat is not feasible or reasonable. Under these conditions (close your ears ladies) I have used the sink in our galley and rinsed it with alcohol. I think that it is still illegal but no one will see you throwing a bucket of 'wastewater' overboard and the alternative is to actually use the head and Peggy's book is a great source for how to correctly deal with all the blackwater systems (no, I am not being paid, yet) and is available through this website. Anyway, it is a sad story.
makes perfect sense to me
bass fishing boat full of beered up guys and no head. What are you going to do? Put on your PFD to pee? Not very manly. And who could resist "rocking the boat" while Billy Bob has the barrel out. I actually saw this urban legend on BOATUS's insurance booklet once. I remember because it stated that it was for all boating and not just sailing. The percentages are probably higher as Billy Bob's fellow fishermen will no doubt have the common decency to zip up his fly while on the way to shore with his body.
bass fishing boat full of beered up guys and no head. What are you going to do? Put on your PFD to pee? Not very manly. And who could resist "rocking the boat" while Billy Bob has the barrel out. I actually saw this urban legend on BOATUS's insurance booklet once. I remember because it stated that it was for all boating and not just sailing. The percentages are probably higher as Billy Bob's fellow fishermen will no doubt have the common decency to zip up his fly while on the way to shore with his body.
Searched called
NH Fish and Game has just called off the search for the missing sailor. Regular Marine Patrol will keep a look out for the body, but at this point just will wait till the body "resurfaces".
NH Fish and Game has just called off the search for the missing sailor. Regular Marine Patrol will keep a look out for the body, but at this point just will wait till the body "resurfaces".
ROUGH BUNCH
appreciate the post Chris, and the wisdom from Old Salt. Anything can happen. From the sound of a lot of these posts it would seem that no one has lost anybody close to them lately. That is something that is very serious, and when it happens you get down to basics. You realize all of the things that you have been pursuing or being busy with are suddenly not so important after all. What if the missing sailor was doing everything by the book? What if he was taking better care of his equipment than you ever thought about? What if he was wearing an inflatable PFD that malfunctioned? You expect him to be hooked up to a jackline for an inland lake. Lets give Jonah the benefit of a doubt. I have a lot of respect for this forum and there are some very sharp sailors here, and if you need to know something this is a great place to ask? I would be sad to learn of some one who knew this man personally, and read this post, maybe trying to find out something about his friend, I don't think he would appreciate it. Have a heart, pray for the family and the friends who are suffering a loss, we all share a common interest, lets work together. I'm tired of the rat race, i'm tired of people not looking out for one another. Trajedies happen everyday, pray that tomorrow won't be your day.
appreciate the post Chris, and the wisdom from Old Salt. Anything can happen. From the sound of a lot of these posts it would seem that no one has lost anybody close to them lately. That is something that is very serious, and when it happens you get down to basics. You realize all of the things that you have been pursuing or being busy with are suddenly not so important after all. What if the missing sailor was doing everything by the book? What if he was taking better care of his equipment than you ever thought about? What if he was wearing an inflatable PFD that malfunctioned? You expect him to be hooked up to a jackline for an inland lake. Lets give Jonah the benefit of a doubt. I have a lot of respect for this forum and there are some very sharp sailors here, and if you need to know something this is a great place to ask? I would be sad to learn of some one who knew this man personally, and read this post, maybe trying to find out something about his friend, I don't think he would appreciate it. Have a heart, pray for the family and the friends who are suffering a loss, we all share a common interest, lets work together. I'm tired of the rat race, i'm tired of people not looking out for one another. Trajedies happen everyday, pray that tomorrow won't be your day.
Can't handle the facts of life??
dpatrick...D you have a hard time in dealing with the fact that each one of us will die some day?? I started this post (ending my first post with "prayers" to the family"), to keep my fellow sailors abreast of current news up here, and whenever I, or somebody makes a post about something bad, it is always posted so that we, as sailors, can learn, and maybe won't be news next week. Sailing can be dangerous, weather being out on the deep blue, or just putting around in cove of a small lake. As stated, I "lake" sail, and don't wear a line or a jacket. Some may think that is stupid and I will pay the price some day...maybe I will, and if that day happens to me, I as a fellow sailor, would expect you to talk about what happened to me. maybe it would save the life of someboday else someday. When starting a thread like this, there will always be the "prayers and thoughts" to the family of the victim, and there will always be the "he shouldn't have done this or that", and there will always be the "houmorous" post. Death is a fact of everyday life, and it must be handled with compasion, with honesty, and some times, even homur. If this offends you, I am sorry, but there is a button on your computer, one way turns it on, the other way turns it off. if you are going to be offended by a "certain" thread, maybe just go by that one.
dpatrick...D you have a hard time in dealing with the fact that each one of us will die some day?? I started this post (ending my first post with "prayers" to the family"), to keep my fellow sailors abreast of current news up here, and whenever I, or somebody makes a post about something bad, it is always posted so that we, as sailors, can learn, and maybe won't be news next week. Sailing can be dangerous, weather being out on the deep blue, or just putting around in cove of a small lake. As stated, I "lake" sail, and don't wear a line or a jacket. Some may think that is stupid and I will pay the price some day...maybe I will, and if that day happens to me, I as a fellow sailor, would expect you to talk about what happened to me. maybe it would save the life of someboday else someday. When starting a thread like this, there will always be the "prayers and thoughts" to the family of the victim, and there will always be the "he shouldn't have done this or that", and there will always be the "houmorous" post. Death is a fact of everyday life, and it must be handled with compasion, with honesty, and some times, even homur. If this offends you, I am sorry, but there is a button on your computer, one way turns it on, the other way turns it off. if you are going to be offended by a "certain" thread, maybe just go by that one.
Chris,
When i said "I appreciate the post" that is what I meant. I don't have a problem with your post. I appreciate it. I think the way you put it down was very respectful and informative regarding the available information. I just got the feeling that a lot of the replies were pretty callous. I would like to have seen more people reply with the same dignity and respect that you showed when you started the thread. Somehow I can't find the humor in someone dying. I think they call it respect. Anyway to answer your question, about me and the facts of life, I realize that nobody gets out alive. Personally I feel like I'm on borrowed time already, but when I go I plan to go down swinging, as in not giving up. I realize that posts will go off to the left or to the right, but in a situation like this with somebody missing, presumably drowned, I think its up to the members to keep a higher level of respect. As if maybe one of that missing persons family or friends may be watching or participating in the forum. I hope that I have made myself clear, sometimes the words don't accurately convey the thoughts. Chris I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. DPatrick standing by.
When i said "I appreciate the post" that is what I meant. I don't have a problem with your post. I appreciate it. I think the way you put it down was very respectful and informative regarding the available information. I just got the feeling that a lot of the replies were pretty callous. I would like to have seen more people reply with the same dignity and respect that you showed when you started the thread. Somehow I can't find the humor in someone dying. I think they call it respect. Anyway to answer your question, about me and the facts of life, I realize that nobody gets out alive. Personally I feel like I'm on borrowed time already, but when I go I plan to go down swinging, as in not giving up. I realize that posts will go off to the left or to the right, but in a situation like this with somebody missing, presumably drowned, I think its up to the members to keep a higher level of respect. As if maybe one of that missing persons family or friends may be watching or participating in the forum. I hope that I have made myself clear, sometimes the words don't accurately convey the thoughts. Chris I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. DPatrick standing by.
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