Mishap in windy conditions...

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Oct 8, 2009
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Hunter 170 Lake Sammamish WA
Today was driving home when I saw a Hunter 17 on a trailer heading for the boat launch on Lake Sammamish. I immediately followed them to watch the "stepping of the mast". These guys (2 Eastern Europeans) had the mast stepped in 5 minutes. I watched closely as my first one alone took about 1.5 hours with some bitching and cussing thrown in to boot.

I only live about 5 minutes from the launch pad so I took my wife home and the went back with binoculars to watch the action. Little did I know it was going to be a BIG SHOW. To step back, when I first saw them they told me they were going to fly only the jib and it was pretty windy. They told me they gave Lake Washington a try, but it was too wind there.

So, when I got back I watched them tacking back and forth in front of the launch without making any real progress toward the middle of the lake. Finally, one of the guys decides to put up the main, but when it was raised, it was way too much sail for the conditions. So then, he decides to do a "reef" on the main. He pulls the main down to the reef point and refastens the main., but he doesn't do the rest of the reef. So now he's go a main that is reefed on the mast, but a full sail on the foot (like maybe an 30 degree angle down). This has now cut the visibility of the helmsman down since the rear of the main is now almost to the deck.

So, now they make another turn to try to head out and a gust of wind KNOCKS THEM DOWN right in front of me (I'm watching from the beach and they're about 150' out.

They first attempt to right the boat, but that doesn't work. So a motorboat goes over, ties a line on the Hunter and drags it to the dock where the boat was successful righted.

At no time did I see the center board in the down position. When I went up to the boat after it was righted, the center board was locked up. And that's the reason I figure that they couldn't make any headway with the jib when they first started out (the wind was blowing almost straight in and they were trying to tack into it).

With the speed these guy put up the mast and got ready to sail, I thought they really knew was they were doing.

Funny how things can go to hell in a hurry if you leave one step out (in this case the center board.)
 

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JerryA

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Oct 17, 2004
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Tanzer 29 Jeanneau Design Sandusky Bay, Lake Erie
Wow! They would have had better luck with just a reefed main. Of course that would be with the board down.

JerryA
 
Oct 8, 2009
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Hunter 170 Lake Sammamish WA
I can't really comment on the using the main only verses jib only as I'm still a bit of a novice with the 170. However, on my "sea trial", the wind was blowing so strong that in retrospect, we probably should have tossed in the towel and tried it on a calmer day. BUT, we didn't. The sales lady elected to go out with the jib only. With a full jib only, I found it hard to hold a tight tack as the boat kept wanting to fall off to leeward. A couple of times I thought we were going over and were only saved by easing out the jib.

I think the major mistake they made (other than not dropping the center board) was planning on going with jib only and NOT having the main already reefed and ready to go before they launched (in case they needed it.) Trying to reef under the conditions they had was just a bucket of worms.

I figured these two were done for the season, but a week later and dried out, I saw them cruising in light winds on the same lake.
 

JerryA

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Oct 17, 2004
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Tanzer 29 Jeanneau Design Sandusky Bay, Lake Erie
Sounds like they learned a valuable lesson. The 170 is a fun boat to sail, as long as you remember it's a board boat. I loved mine, got knocked down once. I was able to right her quickly since the board was down.

JerryA
 
Oct 8, 2009
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Hunter 170 Lake Sammamish WA
Jerry A...

Two questions...

When you got knocked down, did the boat "go over the top" or just horizontal?

Did you right the boat with just your weight or did you have help on the center board?

My '08 model had a "locking" strap to lock the center board down. The boat I saw that got knocked over didn't appear to have this aft strap which would have kept it down only by gravity. As I posted above, I saw the boat up close when it was righted and the center board was locked in the up position.

And yes, the boat is a gas to sail on our lake. Right now it's sitting on my trailer and will be in warm, covered storage starting Nov 1st to March 31st. I'm looking forward to April which can't come too soon for me.
 

JerryA

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Oct 17, 2004
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Tanzer 29 Jeanneau Design Sandusky Bay, Lake Erie
BR,

Mine only went horizontal as I had the mast foamed at the top. The top couple of feet of the mast was underwater. When it happened I was catapulted into the water, releasing the sheets as I had them in hand. Once I got past the awe of seeing my 170 on it's side, I grabbed my painter and moved around to the board. I was able to reach up and grab the board with both hands and my weight was enough to right the 170. However, even with the sheets released she wanted to take off so I was glad I had a line in my hand. At the back of the boat now I was able to climb back in. I always kept my board locked down with the shock cord that came with the boat for that purpose. If you run over something in the water it will stretch alot. I don't know if I could have righted it without the board down. My day may have ended like theirs. I my case I spent the next 20 minutes motoring around picking up all my floating stuff and lamenting about the things that didn't. I had a small $9 radio that flew across the cockpit hitting my $35 surface mount compass that was held on with velcro, they didn't float so well. My cell phone got soaked and stopped working the same day. I lost a couple of small tools that I had in the cockpit. All the stuff I had in the cuddy stayed there. That was probably because I modified my sheet bags with snaps on the floor. It was a learning experience and I really had too much sail up for the gusty conditions.

Good idea on storing your 170 someplace warm this winter.

JerryA
 
Oct 8, 2009
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Hunter 170 Lake Sammamish WA
BR,

Mine only went horizontal as I had the mast foamed at the top. The top couple of feet of the mast was underwater... However, even with the sheets released she wanted to take off so I was glad I had a line in my hand. .... I always kept my board locked down with the shock cord that came with the boat for that purpose.

JerryA
If I read your post correctly, it appears that you took your knockdown with the sheets NOT jam cleated unless you meant that they came unjammed when you did your "dive". Am I reading that right. When I took my demo ride, it was a bad day for it with very gusty winds. A couple of times I thought we were going over, but releasing the sheet (we were only flying the jib) quickly righted the boat.

Since that experience and witnessing the knockdown, I'm VERY leery of jam cleating the sheets in ANY gusty situation. And yes, I always use the shock cord that came with the board.
 
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