Minimalist radar. Lorance?

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Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
I've just made the rounds of the money sinkholes thinking about radar. I don't want anything fancy or plan to use if for navigation. Minimal space and power draw are the primary considerations. I just want to have a better idea who is out there in the fog.

Hamilton won't carry Lorance because they say it doesn't hold up but it looks like the best fit for what I want.

I'll probably do a backstay mount because of weight considerations. Precise bearings aren't as important to me as general situational awareness. I'll be giving any targets lots of room.

Any opinions?
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,204
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Furuno? Bullet-proof. I'm on my third. It is a 1700 series. Will repeat waypoint & speed info via NEMA. It is an older model; five years old. Bet you can buy a good one on e-bay for under $700. It was $1800 new. Aren't you going to do a pole mount? Garhauer's is adjustable for heel and has that great antenna loop option to get all that gear out of the way. It also attaches to the trnsome with a hinge mount so you can drop it which is SO much easier to service, add gear, etc. I'm sold on it.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
I also agree on Furuno for stand alone. If you already have a network capable chartplotter from Raymarine or Garmin, you can add a radome only and share the display. Some arguments here as to single point of failure but it is still better than no radar at all.
 
Dec 2, 2003
1,637
Hunter 376 Warsash, England --
JRC Cheapo

Some years ago I fitted a JRC 1000. 12" diameter scanner, wide beamwidth, small B & W LCD display plus several other undesirable features.
However it has the smallest lightest scanner, smallest display, lowest power consumption and lowest price.
Also it never misses seeing another vessel/ship/boat so I feel very confident in fog.

Like you I don't use it for navigation as I have a laptop navigation system with AIS so it is only for collision avoidance.
Suits me and my wallet just fine.

BTW:- Much enjoyed your starring role in the Titanic dive. Shown recently in the UK on a main TV channel and at prime time. Most impressed. Bit scary though with all those tons/sq inch outside. Handsome fellow!;)
Any idea why there were two bits of bottom but without any hull sides or superstructure when other pieces are seemingly more complete?
Also how come it failed in tension rather than bending as evidenced by the broken ends?
Sorry to be off topic. Just interested to learn.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
As a Lowrance 3500C owner and a happy one at that

I would think twice about buying again

1. Phone support is wait FOREVER at best

2. They hung me up for months on a NEMA 2000 plug after shiping me a fuel flow kit that needed it and was NOT supposed to shipped without it

3. My early NEMA 2000 unit was built with the blue plugs which requires a silly adaptor every time you want to add something because only the NEW red plugs are really NEMA 2000 spec
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Some years ago I fitted a JRC 1000. 12" diameter scanner, wide beamwidth, small B & W LCD display plus several other undesirable features.
However it has the smallest lightest scanner, smallest display, lowest power consumption and lowest price.
That looks like exactly what I'm looking for. I did some searching and found a few for sale but it looks like JRC doesn't make them any more. I don't think I want to spend a grand on an orphan product.

This isn't the time or the place to get into the Titanic. Have you read Brad Matson's book? "Titanic's Final Secrets"? It would answer a lot of questions.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Roger—

The new Garmin HD units are quite nice. IIRC, Maine Sail has recently gotten one and raves about it. :)
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Low end radar

lLike you, I basically use a radar for collision avoidance, on the rare occasions when we get fogged in. All I want is a basic unit, low power draw, light weight, and low price. Last boat I had a JRC 1000 and loved it. Their tech support is top notch. Mine had a problem with the screen fogging, gave them a call, and they told me they had some get out with out some kind of coating on them. No passing the buck or anything. Send it in and they would fix it. Shipped it off, had it back in a week. There is a JRC 1000 on ebay fairly often, usually go for around 500 or less, and the 1500 is the model now available. Am about ready to add radar, and more than likely it will be another JRC. If not, then Furuno it will be.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
JRC

JRC pulled out of the low price category with radars in the US. That leaves Furuno as the least expensive proven stand alone unless you can find a 3200 series Garmin display, like the 3205, and a dome for a good deal.

Here's the rub;

The Furuno 1623 is an inexpensive 16nm stand alone radar only unit and it sells for about $1299.00. The issues I have with it for your application in the foggy maritimes is that it has a 6.2 degree beam width. While this works, getting sharp target returns is tougher.

The Furuno 1715 is the next step up with a 5.2 degree beam and it's roughly $1599.00. Either you go cheap @ $1299.00 or you go big and just by pass the 1715 IMHO.

A Garmin 3205C is both a color plotter and a radar display and comes with built in charts for the entire US. Tiger GPS has them for $669.00 (LINK). You would then need a dome and those can be had from the same source for $893.00 for the GMR-18. For another couple hundred in dome price $1099.00 you can get the GMR-18 HD high def radar. While very nice, sharp and clear the HD some is probably more than you want.

If you want inexpensive, but also something worth while, with more features, the Garmin 3205/GMR-18 is the best bang for the buck. You can buy it at $1562.00 for a color plotter with all US charts and radar overlay and a dome. I bet if you searched you'd even fined a lower price..

Both of the Furuno's are stand alone monochrome units that are not chartplotters. Buying Furuno costs a lot of money for just a few features. The 3205/GMR-18 is a lot of features for only $263.00 more than the cheapy 16nm Furuno 1623. For less than the 1715 you get a color plotter, US charts, the ability to add a sounder, radar overlay etc. etc. on and on.. With the 1715 you get radar only and for more money than the Garmin..

Garmin is also one of the best companies going when it comes to customer service..
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Tiger GPS

http://www.getfeetwet.com/products/SKU-010-N0526-00-Garmin-GPSMAP-3205-(Factory-Refurb)__010-N0526-00.aspx

Maine Sail....Where did you find the price quote for the radar dome and the GPS for $1562?

It's right in the post.. Tiger GPS $669.00 for the 3205 and $893.00 for the GMR-18..

GPS - http://www.tigergps.com/garmingpsmap3205.html?productid=garmingpsmap3205&channelid=PGRAB

Dome - http://search.tigergps.com/?query=GMR-18&IMAGE.x=0&IMAGE.y=0

$525.00 for the 3205 is a great deal as long as the refurb unit has the same warranty. That gives you a GMR 18 radome and 3205C display for $1418.00
 

shorty

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Apr 14, 2005
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Pearson P34 Mt Desert, ME
Simrad broadband

I emailed a request to Practical Sailor to review the new Simrad (Navico, Lowrance, etc, etc) broadband radar. Per their own promo, it sounds great, especially the very low power draw. They're not cheap, but also not outrageous, I think ~$1500. For me something that radically reduces power draw is worth a premium.
I am interested in the posts about support. I discussed the radar with a sales manager for Navico @ the Boston show in February, then asked about the depth & speed unit because my Datamarines are slowly giving up their ghosts & while they are repairable, I want to just go ahead & modernize. He directed me to the Northstar which can be configured with a dual freq transducer for future coupling to a MF display & bottom reading capability. Anyway, the point here is that over multiple e-mails & a couple of phone calls he was extremely helpful in spec'ing the right transducers, that I could get at the Defender sale, and this is a pretty low value sale for them. He clearly has an eye on developing a future customer(s).
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I am interested in the posts about support. I discussed the radar with a sales manager for Navico @ the Boston show in February, then asked about the depth & speed unit because my Datamarines are slowly giving up their ghosts & while they are repairable, I want to just go ahead & modernize. He directed me to the Northstar which can be configured with a dual freq transducer for future coupling to a MF display & bottom reading capability. Anyway, the point here is that over multiple e-mails & a couple of phone calls he was extremely helpful in spec'ing the right transducers, that I could get at the Defender sale, and this is a pretty low value sale for them. He clearly has an eye on developing a future customer(s).
Shorty,

The NorthStar instruments are the old Navman units. These instruments had some issues when NorthStar bought the Navman company.

When NorthStar /Navico bought Navman they put the instruments in all the catalogs as Nortstars but then could not ship them due to problems. Hopefully they have their problems sorted out by now. I owned a NorthStar color plotter (952X) and customer support was less than stellar.

I think if you wait you'll see all the big names will have digital radar failry soon and you'll have more options to choose from..
 
Jan 22, 2008
328
Beneteau 46 Georgetown YB
Quick Plug for Tiger GPS

Great prices & almost instantaneous shipping.

Last spring I purchased Garmin NUVI 750's for each of my company's vans. Ordered online w/ standard shipping on a Thursday morning & UPS delivered them Friday. Same thing when I bought my girlfriend a NUVI for Xmas.

They also had the best prices I could find on the Garmin handheld GPS units.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
I think if you wait you'll see all the big names will have digital radar failry soon and you'll have more options to choose from..
It looks to me as though this is not the time to buy radar. More options coming and prices on existing stuff will go down when the new stuff is available.

I'll probably just muddle through this upcoming trip without it.
 
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