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Mercedes
Admittingly, I've never driven a Mercedes, I'm a Saab/Land Rover type o'guy. But I've heard of their quality and reliablity.
Admittingly, I've never driven a Mercedes, I'm a Saab/Land Rover type o'guy. But I've heard of their quality and reliablity.
Status...
Not status, just curious, learning and getting an idea of the quality of my own vessel, if you want status go to Yale! That's the best status, not material things, the "Blue collar ideal".
Not status, just curious, learning and getting an idea of the quality of my own vessel, if you want status go to Yale! That's the best status, not material things, the "Blue collar ideal".
Give the guy a break...
Rich of Groton, you're one of the more intelligent chaps conversing. You cut through the snobbery B.S. and speak plain english!
Rich of Groton, you're one of the more intelligent chaps conversing. You cut through the snobbery B.S. and speak plain english!
Sailing Mercedes = Dehler
German made, production, superp design, engineering and execution and what appears to me to be an all around wonderful boat. Why, I might even be convinced to give up my Hunter 33 if the price was very right.... Can you say "fire sale"?
German made, production, superp design, engineering and execution and what appears to me to be an all around wonderful boat. Why, I might even be convinced to give up my Hunter 33 if the price was very right.... Can you say "fire sale"?
Yugo of Sail boats has to be:
The Buccaneer line built by Bayliner. There's one near me this so bad the owner put a deck on the transom to allow him to place a potted palm back there so he could at least enjoy the view as the rest of the world passed him by.
The Buccaneer line built by Bayliner. There's one near me this so bad the owner put a deck on the transom to allow him to place a potted palm back there so he could at least enjoy the view as the rest of the world passed him by.
Mark, when we were looking (+)
we picked up a copy of "Practical Sailor's" Boat Buying Guide...it's a little pricey (I think around $30-$40 bucks for 2-volume set), but it's a great investment if you're shopping--a ton of reviews, old boats and new, the good, bad and ugly, price ranges, etc. You can find it on the web, or pick up a copy of PS. Fair winds, Bill S/V "Ngemelis"
we picked up a copy of "Practical Sailor's" Boat Buying Guide...it's a little pricey (I think around $30-$40 bucks for 2-volume set), but it's a great investment if you're shopping--a ton of reviews, old boats and new, the good, bad and ugly, price ranges, etc. You can find it on the web, or pick up a copy of PS. Fair winds, Bill S/V "Ngemelis"
Do you want to cuise, or sit at a marina
so folks can tell you how nice your boat is! Go cruising, you will find few "mercedes" type boats, also very few new ones.
so folks can tell you how nice your boat is! Go cruising, you will find few "mercedes" type boats, also very few new ones.
John Kudera, I think you are reading...
too much into my querie regarding "Mercedes of sailboats". I am not and I repeat AM NOT looking for a status symbol boat. However, as altruistic as you all may be, the very fact that you sail and that you own a sailboat has the cache of wealth, (at least in the good ole' days) you must admit. Sailing and boat ownership is usually not for the poor considering the cost involved. I was simply curious to know, if there are mass-produced boats that are considered very well made and therefore would be the most sea-worthy, with the most durable and best quality material used which would give the vessel the longest life and least amount of repairs. At one time, it was said that Mercedes was too well made and repair work (back several years ago) was few and far between. You do not know me nor do you know anything of my background, I am not that superficial. If I was, I would not have bought a 28 year old boat! What kind of car do YOU drive? How big is your house? What kind of clothes do you wear? I'm willing to bet you own several material "status symbols". Look around your home Ghandi before you judge me! My status far exceeds a plastic tub with a stick on it and a sheet to move it! Status and accomplishments of mine of which, I will not list. Thank you very much. Over and out!
too much into my querie regarding "Mercedes of sailboats". I am not and I repeat AM NOT looking for a status symbol boat. However, as altruistic as you all may be, the very fact that you sail and that you own a sailboat has the cache of wealth, (at least in the good ole' days) you must admit. Sailing and boat ownership is usually not for the poor considering the cost involved. I was simply curious to know, if there are mass-produced boats that are considered very well made and therefore would be the most sea-worthy, with the most durable and best quality material used which would give the vessel the longest life and least amount of repairs. At one time, it was said that Mercedes was too well made and repair work (back several years ago) was few and far between. You do not know me nor do you know anything of my background, I am not that superficial. If I was, I would not have bought a 28 year old boat! What kind of car do YOU drive? How big is your house? What kind of clothes do you wear? I'm willing to bet you own several material "status symbols". Look around your home Ghandi before you judge me! My status far exceeds a plastic tub with a stick on it and a sheet to move it! Status and accomplishments of mine of which, I will not list. Thank you very much. Over and out!
A good post to ask about Nonsuch?
Talking about high end boats. I have noticed in the "for sale" adds that Nonsuch's are high dollars. A used 25' Nonsuch for 50-60k???? I never have seen one up close but I have always wondered what the heck can they do to a 25' boat to command that high of price?? Ted
Talking about high end boats. I have noticed in the "for sale" adds that Nonsuch's are high dollars. A used 25' Nonsuch for 50-60k???? I never have seen one up close but I have always wondered what the heck can they do to a 25' boat to command that high of price?? Ted
Given the criteria (+)
"...mass-produced boats that are considered very well made and therefore would be the most sea-worthy, with the most durable and best quality material used which would give the vessel the longest life and least amount of repairs".. I'd think Tartan, Sabre, and I-P would fit your criteria fairly well, particularly the newer boats, only because of the advancements in materials and construction these builders have/are pursuing in recent year. Just one opinion. FWIW, I didn't read John's note as personally attacking, but rather just some "have fun" kind of advice...problem with e-communication is it's hard to fully understand what someone might be trying to communicate... Hope this helps, Bill S/V Ngemelis
"...mass-produced boats that are considered very well made and therefore would be the most sea-worthy, with the most durable and best quality material used which would give the vessel the longest life and least amount of repairs".. I'd think Tartan, Sabre, and I-P would fit your criteria fairly well, particularly the newer boats, only because of the advancements in materials and construction these builders have/are pursuing in recent year. Just one opinion. FWIW, I didn't read John's note as personally attacking, but rather just some "have fun" kind of advice...problem with e-communication is it's hard to fully understand what someone might be trying to communicate... Hope this helps, Bill S/V Ngemelis
Thanks, Bill
I admit I have been overwhelmed by the critisism of my question. I didn't think I would be up against those who look into every finite aspect of a statement or question. I used the name Mercedes (which I have never owned or driven) as a symbol of quality in my question, not as a status symbol. Similar to the "What's the Cadillac of..." Given my station in life, I wouldn't drive a Mercedes. Thanks for your boat opinion.
I admit I have been overwhelmed by the critisism of my question. I didn't think I would be up against those who look into every finite aspect of a statement or question. I used the name Mercedes (which I have never owned or driven) as a symbol of quality in my question, not as a status symbol. Similar to the "What's the Cadillac of..." Given my station in life, I wouldn't drive a Mercedes. Thanks for your boat opinion.
Annapolis
Hey Mark, if possible you should plan to attend the Annapolis sailboat show in the fall. This affords you the opportunity to form your own opinions by boarding and examining most all the boats mentioned, and a few others not mentioned, in this thread. I had the good fortune to attend this past one (Oct. 2003)and what an eye opener for me. One last suggestion would be to stay till the end of the last day to witness the tear down, what an impressive sight. Well impressive to me anyway but that might have had something to do with the effects of the painkillers, which if memory serves me seemed to be having the same effect on the other couple thousand people there at the time;D That reminds me beware of the painkillers(or better yet the amount your tipping the person pouring yours)! Fair winds, Frank
Hey Mark, if possible you should plan to attend the Annapolis sailboat show in the fall. This affords you the opportunity to form your own opinions by boarding and examining most all the boats mentioned, and a few others not mentioned, in this thread. I had the good fortune to attend this past one (Oct. 2003)and what an eye opener for me. One last suggestion would be to stay till the end of the last day to witness the tear down, what an impressive sight. Well impressive to me anyway but that might have had something to do with the effects of the painkillers, which if memory serves me seemed to be having the same effect on the other couple thousand people there at the time;D That reminds me beware of the painkillers(or better yet the amount your tipping the person pouring yours)! Fair winds, Frank
Hey at least my Cat is a Buick
and not a Chevy. I drive a GMC Pickup too, nobody mentioned Cabo Rico, just saw a new fully tricked out 56'.
and not a Chevy. I drive a GMC Pickup too, nobody mentioned Cabo Rico, just saw a new fully tricked out 56'.
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