MD6A water from the air filter!

Jan 17, 2005
99
Hello,

Yesterday I was working on tuning the (newly rebuild)
MD6A engine of "Lotta". In the beginning
there was a problem with the water flow
in the raw water circuit. The water pump was working
properly, but sometime there was no water at the
exhaust output at the stern.
Finally it seemed that everything was OK
and we continued with other things, like tuning the combi.

Suddenly, with the engine running,
I saw water coming out the air filter!

I can not be absolutely sure if it was raw water
or fresh water, because
due to the problems with the cooling system,
the engine fresh water circuit was temporarily
filled with (fresh) water not the cooling liquid.

Seems that the engine survived this experience.
Oil was pumped out of the engine
(no obvious traces of water in the oil).
The engine was turned many times first by hand, than
with the starter engine. Finally it was started
and run for few minutes with no obvious problem.

The only possibility of getting water into the engine,
which I can think about, is the exhaust. So the exhaust tube
was removed. I could not see any obvious problem
with this tube. As far as I can judge, there was nothing
abnormal in the connection of the tube with the exhaust output
of the engine.

Please help understanding what was wrong!

I can't actually understand how the raw water, which comes into
outside space of the exhaust tube at the exhaust of the engine
is protected from getting into to the internal (metal) pipe
(and then perhaps, in some situations, back to the engine).
The metal pipe, which is only by a few cm longer than the rubber
outside pipe, is just inserted into the exhaust of the engine..
Such connection of the internal pipe to the engine is certainly
not water tight (and there is always water around this pipe!)

Anyway, without understanding what happened,
I don't want to connect the exhaust tube back.
I will appreciate any ideas on the reason of the problem
and how to avoid it in the future.

I hoped to have some sailing soon...

Marcin
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi Marcin

If you have the original dry exhaust system then I think the first
option would be to change to a wet exhaust system. The original is a
large straight tube coming out of the exhaust elbo which is surrounded
by small stainless steel tubes which is then covered by a hard rubber.
After 30 plus years it is almost enevitable that the stainless tubes
will be corroded with pin holes. The water may have come back from these
small tubes.

To change to a wet exhaust you need the following:

Wet Exhaust Water Trap
About 4 metres of exhaust hose
Jubille clips (hose clips)
Swan neck or longer piece of exhaust hose

Hope this helps

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)
 
Apr 22, 2008
47
Albin Vega 27 San Francisco
I'll second the motion to move to wet exhaust. I did so with the new
Beta installation and it is SO much better, almost odorless and quiet.
(I'm sure the Beta itself accounts for some of this, but I still
think it's well worth the effort.

Victor
 
Jan 17, 2005
99
Hi Steve, Hi Victor,

Thanks for your advice.
I still don't understand what really happened.
It seems to me that the internal metal pipe of the dry exhaust tube
suprisingly solid and OK - I checked that there is
no symptoms of water leaking through it.

But I agree: it's best to change to wet exhaust immediataly.
Today I've had to leave "Lotta" alone for almost three weeks, due to a
trip abroad. When I came back, I hope she has a beautiful new wet exhaust
(the workshop boss promised to look into it).

Cheers,

Marcin
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi.:
I have a wet exhaust- I have a Yanmar, it requires it. The
only thing to be careful about a wet exhaust is to have a
waterlock (like from Vetus) and an air vent high enough to
prevent water returning to the exhaust.
Wilhelm, V-257
 
Oct 30, 2019
80
Marcin, Do not rule out that the water came in though the air filter.
We now have a Beta, but before the Beta, on the MD6A, I got water
into the air filter by mistake. The air filter was turned so the
opening was up and rainwater leaked in. I would guess that there
could be some gushing out of the filter. This might also explain how
the engine wasn't damaged and runs well now.
thaks, frank and Tena DeBaggis, Carpe Diem Vega 2141
 
Oct 31, 2019
84
Still looking for someone that knows how to bench test the Dynastarter for the md6a. Pat "Puffin" V2137

Steve Birch steve@... wrote: Hi Marcin

If you have the original dry exhaust system then I think the first
option would be to change to a wet exhaust system. The original is a
large straight tube coming out of the exhaust elbo which is surrounded
by small stainless steel tubes which is then covered by a hard rubber.
After 30 plus years it is almost enevitable that the stainless tubes
will be corroded with pin holes. The water may have come back from these
small tubes.

To change to a wet exhaust you need the following:

Wet Exhaust Water Trap
About 4 metres of exhaust hose
Jubille clips (hose clips)
Swan neck or longer piece of exhaust hose

Hope this helps

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)
 
Nov 11, 2016
96
Nimble Arctic Toronto
Sorry gang, me again. I finally got my MD6B started today in my backyard.
Yippee it runs!! But even after 5 minutes it hardly used any water! So I
shut it off after it reached half way up the temp. gauge. The impeller is
brand new. Can someone please tell me how much water is supposed to come
out of the exhaust at idle? As she is on the hard, I took the thermostat
out and stuck the water intake hose into a bucket of water in the cockpit.
Could there be an air lock in the cooling system? Are you supposed to prime
the cooling system after replacing the impeller? Also I couldn't get the
prop to stop rotating (is this correct for the combi?) and cutlass bearing
got very warm. Does it need to be submerged in water for lubrication?
Questions questions questions.

_________________________________________________________________
Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes.
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
The MD6/6 series hardly use any cooling water, especially at idle.
The prop rotates all the time, even in neutral a sit uses a variable
prop position system for forward/reverse.
The cutlass bearing needs to be water-cooled as well as teh stern
bearing otherwise it will over heat.


Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi Trevor.

I have spent many hours on this issue.

i have an MD6A - it was overheating - ie 100C on the temp gauge before I
killed the engine.

The stream of water from outlet on transom was puny, more of a trickle.

Diagnosis - 1) exhaust system was badly clogged
2) weed in water was being sucked in (boat is on a lake)
which made the problem worse.

Solution - I paid mechanic a few hundred euro to clean out exhaust
mainfold - also fitted a weed trap/strainer.

Mechanic reported that channels in exhaust manifold were badly sooted up
before cleaning..

Engine temp hasn't risen over 50C since - even flat out at 6 knots...

And cooling water is gushing out the tailpipe..I am a cautios fellow so I monitored the temp of engine block when I tied
up after a half hour run on engine - 65C was max and it dropped off as
engine cooled...

For winter running I prob should buy a thermostat (available from English
supplier for about 30 GBP...

All the best,

John
 
Oct 31, 2019
230
Thanks John, did your mechanic remove the exhaust manifold to clean it
or use a chemical? How did he clean it? What else did he do to clear the
system? Cheers T

From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of John A. Kinsella
Sent: August 21, 2006 3:30 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Cc: TrevorLeech@...
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] MD6B Cooling System
Hi Trevor.

I have spent many hours on this issue.

i have an MD6A - it was overheating - ie 100C on the temp gauge before I

killed the engine.

The stream of water from outlet on transom was puny, more of a trickle.

Diagnosis - 1) exhaust system was badly clogged
2) weed in water was being sucked in (boat is on a lake)
which made the problem worse.

Solution - I paid mechanic a few hundred euro to clean out exhaust
mainfold - also fitted a weed trap/strainer.

Mechanic reported that channels in exhaust manifold were badly sooted up

before cleaning..

Engine temp hasn't risen over 50C since - even flat out at 6 knots...

And cooling water is gushing out the tailpipe..

I am a cautios fellow so I monitored the temp of engine block when I
tied
up after a half hour run on engine - 65C was max and it dropped off as
engine cooled...

For winter running I prob should buy a thermostat (available from
English
supplier for about 30 GBP...

All the best,

John
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi Trevor,
he removed exhaust manifold and cleaned it out - he replaced gasket with
new one from Volvo Penta (another 40 euro...)

I quote sms message that mechanic sent me:
"manifold skimmed, cleaned ports, new seals in raw water pump"

So I infer that he cleaned out the water channels mechanically rather
than with chemicals.

If I remember correctly he said that exhaust system (not just manifold)
was badly sooted up.

It was expensive (about 300 euro incl parts & labour) but I now trust
the engine a lot more.

Let me know if I can help further,

John

Vega 1447 Breakaway

Trevor Leech said in an email sent on 21/08/06 22:09 that:
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
(apologies if I have sent this twice)
Hi Trevor,
he removed exhaust manifold and cleaned it out - he replaced gasket
with new one from Volvo Penta (another 40 euro...)

I quote sms message that mechanic sent me:
"manifold skimmed, cleaned ports, new seals in raw water pump"

So I infer that he cleaned out the water channels mechanically rather
than with chemicals.

If I remember correctly he said that exhaust system (not just
manifold) was badly sooted up.

It was expensive (about 300 euro incl parts & labour) but I now trust
the engine a lot more.

Let me know if I can help further,

John

Vega 1447 Breakaway