mast tabernacle

Oct 30, 2019
148
somewhere I have some great photos of a mast tabernacle system. I'd
be glad to post them to the photo section, if someone will tell me how
to do that.

Victor
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Victor,
I'd like to see your tabernacle too.

To post photos:
Log in to the Yahoo Vega Forum
and sign in.

In the upper left portion of the screen is a box with a list:
Home
Messages
Post
Files
Photos
Etc.

Click on "Photos", then click on "Create Album" on the upper left side
of the screen.

Give the album a name and description, then click on "Continue".

Then add photos, using the "Browse" button to find them on your
computer.

They take a bit of time to upload.
Hope this helps.
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Apr 28, 2000
691
Victor,

Just click on the "Photos" link in the menu bar on the left. Then
look for the "Add Photos" link at the top of the page on the right.
Follow the instructions and click the "Browse" button to find the
files on your computer. Fill in the name and description. Repeat for
each photo then scroll down to the "Add Now" button and click.

I hope that helps. If not, email the photos to me and I'll post them
here and on the AVA web site as well (With full credit to the
photographer of course)

Aloha,

Chuck
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Sorry, but more questions on steel tubing stuff that mounts to the boat..

I looked at most of the pics on Chuck's website and I didn't see any Vega with both a dodger/spray hood and a bimini. Is there a reason for this? Does it over crowd the cockpit or is there not enough room to fit both?

Then, there is the swim platform. Is having a swim platform a safety issue in any way? Like if a wave hits it? I am thinking that it would make getting onto the boat a lot easier from the water.

When you get one of these dodgers or biminis, do you usually get the canvas and frame from the same person? Or is there any advantage to get them separately?

Thanks,
Roy
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
I don't have a swim platform, but I have a single stainless folding step on the transom near the waterline about 20 inches off centerline. ($40.00 at any good marine store). Doesn't look bad, doesn't project out and so is safe from damage, and makes it pretty easy to get out of the water. I do think the ability to get from the water into the boat, preferably without having to deploy anything, is an important safety feature.Nicholas Walsh
Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
111 Commercial Street
Portland Maine 04101
Tel. 207/772-2191
fax 207/774-3940

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May 30, 2006
1,075
I just thought of a couple more points on a swim platform..
-allows one to board more easily in emergency
-allows one to board a dingy more easliy?
-a place to store/mount a dingy?
rb


groundhog groundhogyh@... wrote:

Sorry, but more questions on steel tubing stuff that mounts to the boat..

I looked at most of the pics on Chuck's website and I didn't see any Vega with both a dodger/spray hood and a bimini. Is there a reason for this? Does it over crowd the cockpit or is there not enough room to fit both?

Then, there is the swim platform. Is having a swim platform a safety issue in any way? Like if a wave hits it? I am thinking that it would make getting onto the boat a lot easier from the water.

When you get one of these dodgers or biminis, do you usually get the canvas and frame from the same person? Or is there any advantage to get them separately?

Thanks,
Roy
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Swim platforms..
-fun for dogs/cats to play/jump, get in and out?
-place to put on snorkel gear?
-place to lay snacks or your MaiTai while floating in the water :)

Bimini..
-where the heck would you store that on a small boat like a Vega? It would have to fold up really small if you put it in a locker, or store in place folded down.

Dodger/Spray Hood..
-Is there ever a time when you wish you didn't have it on the boat? I have to sit up already in the cockpit to see clearly.


groundhog groundhogyh@... wrote:

Sorry, but more questions on steel tubing stuff that mounts to the boat..

I looked at most of the pics on Chuck's website and I didn't see any Vega with both a dodger/spray hood and a bimini. Is there a reason for this? Does it over crowd the cockpit or is there not enough room to fit both?

Then, there is the swim platform. Is having a swim platform a safety issue in any way? Like if a wave hits it? I am thinking that it would make getting onto the boat a lot easier from the water.

When you get one of these dodgers or biminis, do you usually get the canvas and frame from the same person? Or is there any advantage to get them separately?

Thanks,
Roy
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi;
I'm just using a rope ladder I made myself, long enough to have 2 rungs floating, and the upper end held by cleets. I used a broom stick, and some line, all cost me about less than 5 bugs. Have it well over 20 years! One word of caution: one must know how to use a rope ladder= or the tows will hurt......
Wilhelm, V-257

groundhog groundhogyh@... wrote: Swim platforms..
-fun for dogs/cats to play/jump, get in and out?
-place to put on snorkel gear?
-place to lay snacks or your MaiTai while floating in the water :)

Bimini..
-where the heck would you store that on a small boat like a Vega? It would have to fold up really small if you put it in a locker, or store in place folded down.

Dodger/Spray Hood..
-Is there ever a time when you wish you didn't have it on the boat? I have to sit up already in the cockpit to see clearly.


groundhog groundhogyh@... wrote:

Sorry, but more questions on steel tubing stuff that mounts to the boat..

I looked at most of the pics on Chuck's website and I didn't see any Vega with both a dodger/spray hood and a bimini. Is there a reason for this? Does it over crowd the cockpit or is there not enough room to fit both?

Then, there is the swim platform. Is having a swim platform a safety issue in any way? Like if a wave hits it? I am thinking that it would make getting onto the boat a lot easier from the water.

When you get one of these dodgers or biminis, do you usually get the canvas and frame from the same person? Or is there any advantage to get them separately?

Thanks,
Roy
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Wilhelm,
Did you see my Groundhog 5000 toilet?
You can't have a 5 bug ladder sitting next to that!
roy
ps.. just teasing!

WL wxt8981@... wrote:
Hi;
I'm just using a rope ladder I made myself, long enough to have 2 rungs floating, and the upper end held by cleets. I used a broom stick, and some line, all cost me about less than 5 bugs. Have it well over 20 years! One word of caution: one must know how to use a rope ladder= or the tows will hurt......
Wilhelm, V-257

groundhog groundhogyh@... wrote: Swim platforms..
-fun for dogs/cats to play/jump, get in and out?
-place to put on snorkel gear?
-place to lay snacks or your MaiTai while floating in the water :)

Bimini..
-where the heck would you store that on a small boat like a Vega? It would have to fold up really small if you put it in a locker, or store in place folded down.

Dodger/Spray Hood..
-Is there ever a time when you wish you didn't have it on the boat? I have to sit up already in the cockpit to see clearly.groundhog groundhogyh@... wrote:

Sorry, but more questions on steel tubing stuff that mounts to the boat..

I looked at most of the pics on Chuck's website and I didn't see any Vega with both a dodger/spray hood and a bimini. Is there a reason for this? Does it over crowd the cockpit or is there not enough room to fit both?

Then, there is the swim platform. Is having a swim platform a safety issue in any way? Like if a wave hits it? I am thinking that it would make getting onto the boat a lot easier from the water.

When you get one of these dodgers or biminis, do you usually get the canvas and frame from the same person? Or is there any advantage to get them separately?

Thanks,
Roy
 
Jul 6, 2007
106
I dont have a spray hood (yet), but I wish I had! It
can get really wet.

The bimini, well I am getting one but in the UK you
can do with out one, however once you get further down
than 35 degrees you can definitely do with one,
storage should not be too much of a problem, just fold
it nicely.

Bathing plat form, hmmm not too sure about it, but it
cant be good to have one with following seas, nor
trying to moor in a crowded marina or even in a
harbour.

Just my 2 cents......good luck.
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Sorry Roy- I didn't see your 5000 toilet, whatever that may be. I just use a bucket. I also have no Bimini, though I do have a spray hood where I can fasten a mosquito net when at anchor (during the night). I'm in the Florida Keys, it's hot here, and there are million of those nasty mosquitoes. And then, I have that rope ladder- when underway I just roll it up and store it next to the lower life-line
Happy sailing- Wilhelm, V 257

Roger Fairest rogerefairest@... wrote: I dont have a spray hood (yet), but I wish I had! It
can get really wet.

The bimini, well I am getting one but in the UK you
can do with out one, however once you get further down
than 35 degrees you can definitely do with one,
storage should not be too much of a problem, just fold
it nicely.

Bathing plat form, hmmm not too sure about it, but it
cant be good to have one with following seas, nor
trying to moor in a crowded marina or even in a
harbour.

Just my 2 cents......good luck.
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Yeah, we get the mosquitos up here in the Chesapeake too.
I love sucking them up in my hand vacuum!
I just got the screen for the companionway.
rb


WL wxt8981@... wrote:
Sorry Roy- I didn't see your 5000 toilet, whatever that may be. I just use a bucket. I also have no Bimini, though I do have a spray hood where I can fasten a mosquito net when at anchor (during the night). I'm in the Florida Keys, it's hot here, and there are million of those nasty mosquitoes. And then, I have that rope ladder- when underway I just roll it up and store it next to the lower life-line
Happy sailing- Wilhelm, V 257

Roger Fairest rogerefairest@... wrote: I dont have a spray hood (yet), but I wish I had! It
can get really wet.

The bimini, well I am getting one but in the UK you
can do with out one, however once you get further down
than 35 degrees you can definitely do with one,
storage should not be too much of a problem, just fold
it nicely.

Bathing plat form, hmmm not too sure about it, but it
cant be good to have one with following seas, nor
trying to moor in a crowded marina or even in a
harbour.

Just my 2 cents......good luck.
 
Oct 31, 2019
230
Okay, I'll bite . . . what the heck is a hand vacuum? Trevor (V2915 -
Mystic Rose)



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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of groundhog
Sent: February 15, 2008 11:21 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] more dodgers, biminis, swim platforms..



Yeah, we get the mosquitos up here in the Chesapeake too.
I love sucking them up in my hand vacuum!
I just got the screen for the companionway.
rbWL wxt8981@... mailto:wxt8981%40yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry Roy- I didn't see your 5000 toilet, whatever that may be. I just
use a bucket. I also have no Bimini, though I do have a spray hood where
I can fasten a mosquito net when at anchor (during the night). I'm in
the Florida Keys, it's hot here, and there are million of those nasty
mosquitoes. And then, I have that rope ladder- when underway I just roll
it up and store it next to the lower life-line
Happy sailing- Wilhelm, V 257

Roger Fairest rogerefairest@...
mailto:rogerefairest%40yahoo.com wrote: I don't have a spray hood
(yet), but I wish I had! It
can get really wet.

The bimini, well I am getting one but in the UK you
can do with out one, however once you get further down
than 35 degrees you can definitely do with one,
storage should not be too much of a problem, just fold
it nicely.

Bathing plat form, hmmm not too sure about it, but it
can't be good to have one with following seas, nor
trying to moor in a crowded marina or even in a
harbour.

Just my 2 cents......good luck.
 
Apr 28, 2000
691
In order to make it easier to get back on the boat after a swim
without hanging a big plank off the back or using a rope ladder that
may be hard on the toes, I attached one of the teak bar type cleats
horizontally on the transom just above the water line

While you can't sit on it or rest your drink there, it does serve well
for climbing back aboard or as a handhold if the boat is floating bow
downward d;^)

Malie ke kai,

Chuck Rose
SV Lealea, V1860
Honolulu (Friday Harbor,WA)
 
Jul 5, 2006
49
When I was living up in Portland, OR most of the larger and a lot of
the smaller (27 ft) sailboats had full cockpit covers (we called them
"full dodgers" up there) which amounted to a spray hood with clear
plastic windows in front and an integrated bimini which was either
continuous or connected to the spray hood fabric (usually "Sunbrella")
with a zipper. With additional side curtains, this allowed one to use
the cockpit as extra space even in winter which, if you live aboard,
is always a good thing. During warmer weather you roll up or remove
the side curtains and you have a fully shaded cockpit area so you
don't get "cooked" while out on the water sailing about. The only
downside is working out the details for the boom sheeting and having
enough clearance above the dodger for the boom to swing.

Another plus was the dodger framework gave you a good location to
mount your solar panels.

I'll see if I can find a picture and upload it to the Photo area.

Fair Winds!

Bill McCourt
Reston, VA
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Bill,
Funny you should mention that...
I had an idea last night about something similar.

If you've seen a picture of Chuck Roses dodger, he has hand rails that stick out of the covering so you can get a hand hold when going forward.

One problem with these biminis is where to store the damn things when not in use. And I don't want it just laying on top of the boat while not in use.

Say you get a dodger like Chucks. Then what if you have a "U" shaped frame for the bimini. You attach the ends of the U frame to the grab handles of the dodger.

You make the U frame so that it can come apart or fold down to a really small package.

I'm guessing/assuming here that the bimini is only used in lighter air and summer time sails? So you wouldn't want it up all the time.

Whatcha think?
Did I describe it ok?
rb


Bill McCourt wemccourt@... wrote:
When I was living up in Portland, OR most of the larger and a lot of
the smaller (27 ft) sailboats had full cockpit covers (we called them
"full dodgers" up there) which amounted to a spray hood with clear
plastic windows in front and an integrated bimini which was either
continuous or connected to the spray hood fabric (usually "Sunbrella")
with a zipper. With additional side curtains, this allowed one to use
the cockpit as extra space even in winter which, if you live aboard,
is always a good thing. During warmer weather you roll up or remove
the side curtains and you have a fully shaded cockpit area so you
don't get "cooked" while out on the water sailing about. The only
downside is working out the details for the boom sheeting and having
enough clearance above the dodger for the boom to swing.

Another plus was the dodger framework gave you a good location to
mount your solar panels.

I'll see if I can find a picture and upload it to the Photo area.

Fair Winds!

Bill McCourt
Reston, VA
 
Jul 5, 2006
49
Check out the pictures I put up in the photo section. Album is called
"Small boats with dodgers" or something equally obvious. I copied 5
pictures of several boats with partial or full dodgers so you can see
the difference.

Bill McCourt
Reston, VA
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Looking at where the mainsheet comes down on the Vegas, it looks like it will be difficult to even fit a bimini in there.


Bill McCourt wemccourt@... wrote:
Check out the pictures I put up in the photo section. Album is called
"Small boats with dodgers" or something equally obvious. I copied 5
pictures of several boats with partial or full dodgers so you can see
the difference.

Bill McCourt
Reston, VA
 
Oct 30, 2019
57
I've spent an excessive amount of time on this same thing, trying to
figure out how to build an extra 'room', since I live aboard.

My theory is this:

Dodger:
Hardtop dogder, basically GRP-rimmed polycarbonate (so you can
actually see what's going on above you, which I understand is
important in a sailboat :p), and HINGED at the front with two
'settings,' namely 1) underway and 2) moored. Mode 1, the dodger top
is essentially flat, and would look like a normal dodger, with a
'normal' amount of room underneath, and room for the boom to swing
above. In mode 2, the dodger would slope up from front to back. The
back rim of the dodger would have gallows for the boom, and the slope
would add headroom at the rear of the dodger. The fabric would be
built so that it is tight in the 'mode 2' position, and include a
zipper the whole way around that would take up the extra fabric and
'tighten it up' for mode 1.

...Since it's 'hard,' it can't really be stowed, other than to have it
pivot down level with the cabintop, but since it's basically just a
solid, handhold-equipped frame full of windows, I'm not sure why you'd
ever want to take it down. I would not add this functionality if it
meant any cost in strength.

Bimini:
Framed off the pulpit using a double bow design, it would run from
forward of the backstay with just enough room to allow the boom and
main to pass by while underway, and would extend back either to a
point directly above the pulpit, or back behind it to a point that
causes the rear 'windows' to hang at an angle that matches the angle
of the stern (I'm still deciding). The main bow would head from the
front of the pulpit aft, and the 'sub-bow' heading forward. The
'sub-bow' will have some kind of joint/breakable-section in the middle
so as to allow the bow to fold back past the backstay when necessary,
and the fabric top will have a zippered slot for the same purpose.

For stowage, the main bow would fold down and sit well back of the end
of the pulpit, and the 'sub-bow' would ideally sit directly on it when
stowed. Fabric would stay in place.

'Integrator:'
The fun part of this whole thought process was to figure out how to
cover the area between the bimini and dodger, but still allowing the
mainsheet to pass through fabric - as far as I know they don't have
mainsheet-permeable waterproof Sunbrella. :p My thought was this:
with dodger in mode 2, 'live-aboard mode,' it's a simple matter of a
flat-ish piece of material, as the rear end of the dodger will be at
the same level as the bimini to maximize headroom (thus the hinging
top :D), and with the boom gallows at the aft end of the hardtop, you
can strap the boom down to that and simply remove the mainsheet. When
underway, I will make an 'integrator' piece that zips between the
front of the bimini and the aft end of the dodger and runs down to the
cockpit coaming, and includes some 'slack' or sretchy fabric and a
massive zipper that follows the 'path' of the mainsheet from port to
starboard (or obviously vice versa), which would include a large
rounded diamond-shaped 'grommet' piece with a zipper tab at either
end, and a solid hawse/chock/fairlead with a neoprene 'skirt,' thus
allowing the grommeted mainsheet to 'ride the zipper', with one zipper
opening the zippertrack in front of the sheet and the other closing it
behind it, keeping me nice and dry and warm.

...In theory, anyways. :D Now I just need to find some money, some
time and my grandma's sewing machine and get them all together. :)

Cheers,

Jonathan
2221
 
Apr 28, 2000
691
I've been thinking about that and it seems to me that a short bimini
attached to the trailing edge of the dodger and back to a bow
replacing the aftermost stanchions might work as long as you aren't
sailing too far off the wind. More protection in the cockpit is a
good thing as long as it doesn't interfere with sailing the boat.

Chuck