I just had all the standing rigging redone on my V21 and now need to tune it. My question is for determining the mast rake while the boat is on the trailer. Is there any point on the boat that I can level to simulate it sitting in water, or if I level the trailer--will that do? If I remember correctly, the main halyard should hang 2-3 inches aft of the mast when the rake is appropriate. Is this correct? Thanks Bryan
Mast rake
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I doubt that mast rake is all that critical in a 21, but it can be adjusted after you get it in the water. Adjust the trailer level until the boot top is level. If there is no boot top, use the bottom of the boat. Set it for a couple of inches of rake and then make further adjustments after you sail. If you have any more questions, ask them. There are hundreds out there more qualified than me to answer your questions, but no one else has bothered.
Thanks Dan
Actually, after installing the rigging it appears to have too much rake and was concerned that it may cause undesired structural strains. Although I'm not a racer--I've been told by many that the V21 was arguably the fastest production boat of it's time. I would hate to think that I'm sacrificing a fraction of a knot by missing the appropriate rake (is this how the racing bug begins?) BTW, my Dad lives in Coal Hill Arkansas, is that close to Ferry Lakes? Bryan
Actually, after installing the rigging it appears to have too much rake and was concerned that it may cause undesired structural strains. Although I'm not a racer--I've been told by many that the V21 was arguably the fastest production boat of it's time. I would hate to think that I'm sacrificing a fraction of a knot by missing the appropriate rake (is this how the racing bug begins?) BTW, my Dad lives in Coal Hill Arkansas, is that close to Ferry Lakes? Bryan
Greers Ferry Lake
Virtually every thing on a sailboat is a compromise, including mast rake. Mast rake probably affects weather helm more than anything. I could not tell the difference in speed whether the rake is zero or a couple of feet. Structurally, I doubt that it makes much difference. My MAC 23 has a fairly severe rake, almost 3 feet. I use it to cut down on the lee helm, especially in light winds. I am sure that some purists may take exception to my rather casual attitude towards rake. I list two lakes because I am between them. I keep my MAC 23 at Bull Shoals about 60 miles away. I sail my trailerable at Greers Ferry about 45 miles away. The part of Greers Ferry I sail is probably about 60 miles from Coal Hill. Coal Hill is close to Lake Dardanelle.
Virtually every thing on a sailboat is a compromise, including mast rake. Mast rake probably affects weather helm more than anything. I could not tell the difference in speed whether the rake is zero or a couple of feet. Structurally, I doubt that it makes much difference. My MAC 23 has a fairly severe rake, almost 3 feet. I use it to cut down on the lee helm, especially in light winds. I am sure that some purists may take exception to my rather casual attitude towards rake. I list two lakes because I am between them. I keep my MAC 23 at Bull Shoals about 60 miles away. I sail my trailerable at Greers Ferry about 45 miles away. The part of Greers Ferry I sail is probably about 60 miles from Coal Hill. Coal Hill is close to Lake Dardanelle.
Hey Bryan
Are you getting ready for The 4th? Ya know, if we were to race accross the lake, I just might have an advantage........ Uhhh 4 feet of water line to be more exact
Just kidding. We are headed to SF Bay Sunday, to see how she handles. If all goes well, I will be up there on July 1st. I am planning on launching at Kings Beach. Hope to see you there.
Are you getting ready for The 4th? Ya know, if we were to race accross the lake, I just might have an advantage........ Uhhh 4 feet of water line to be more exact
Just kidding. We are headed to SF Bay Sunday, to see how she handles. If all goes well, I will be up there on July 1st. I am planning on launching at Kings Beach. Hope to see you there.Aah...Lakes
Means I might have to go visit my Dad this Summer. Hi Gregg, This just means I'll have to race you with a handicap--Jeez there goes that bug again. I just have to keep saying to myself "I'm a cruising sailor" We'll definitely have to get together over the 4th. Lots of water this year so I'm hoping all the ramps will be open. Definitely let me know how the Bay is, I'm hoping to get out there sometime. Bryan
Means I might have to go visit my Dad this Summer. Hi Gregg, This just means I'll have to race you with a handicap--Jeez there goes that bug again. I just have to keep saying to myself "I'm a cruising sailor" We'll definitely have to get together over the 4th. Lots of water this year so I'm hoping all the ramps will be open. Definitely let me know how the Bay is, I'm hoping to get out there sometime. Bryan
rake
put the mast up, put main sail up, boom should be level with cockpit/waterline, go sailing and make any adjustments necessary to balance the boat. new rigging stretches first few times out, would recomend a loos gauge to tighten stays properly...
put the mast up, put main sail up, boom should be level with cockpit/waterline, go sailing and make any adjustments necessary to balance the boat. new rigging stretches first few times out, would recomend a loos gauge to tighten stays properly...
A day on the Bay
What a ride!!! 2-3 foot swells, and a lot of chop. Winds were blowing about 17 mph most of the day, and we had rails in the water for a long time. I need to get a plug for the keel bolt hole, as we had about a gallon or so come in. The wife was not too keen on heeling over that far for that long, but she didn't die. Tahoe should be calmer, and we should be able to sail a bit flatter for her. We really worked hard most of the day, and found that the boat likes to round up before going over too far. It was hard to keep on track with the swell, and we couldn't point too high so it took us longer than I had hoped. We even had to drop the mast at Angel Island because the shackle on the jibsnapped, and the halyard went shooting up the mast, and got stuck in the block. How hard does it blow in Tahoe?
What a ride!!! 2-3 foot swells, and a lot of chop. Winds were blowing about 17 mph most of the day, and we had rails in the water for a long time. I need to get a plug for the keel bolt hole, as we had about a gallon or so come in. The wife was not too keen on heeling over that far for that long, but she didn't die. Tahoe should be calmer, and we should be able to sail a bit flatter for her. We really worked hard most of the day, and found that the boat likes to round up before going over too far. It was hard to keep on track with the swell, and we couldn't point too high so it took us longer than I had hoped. We even had to drop the mast at Angel Island because the shackle on the jibsnapped, and the halyard went shooting up the mast, and got stuck in the block. How hard does it blow in Tahoe?
I'm envious...
that you were able to get out this weekend, good to shake out the bugs early in the Season. My fiance always gets seasick and hasn't experienced good heeling yet...so it may be an exciting season. We had a couple great weekends here but alas, the sails are getting reconditioned at Sailcare. Tahoe can be an interesting lake (like any Northern Nevada Lake). It's ordained with highly variable and gusty wind conditions and can range from dead calm to "wish I never launched the boat" within minutes. But, there are days when you couldn't get any better. Many of the old salts here say "if you can sail Tahoe, you can sail anywhere". However, I bet many old salts say the same about their regions of sailing. Best sailing is usually late Summer to early Fall. Spring can get pretty gusty with averages of 15-30 kt wind and gusts to 70 over the ridges. Bryan
that you were able to get out this weekend, good to shake out the bugs early in the Season. My fiance always gets seasick and hasn't experienced good heeling yet...so it may be an exciting season. We had a couple great weekends here but alas, the sails are getting reconditioned at Sailcare. Tahoe can be an interesting lake (like any Northern Nevada Lake). It's ordained with highly variable and gusty wind conditions and can range from dead calm to "wish I never launched the boat" within minutes. But, there are days when you couldn't get any better. Many of the old salts here say "if you can sail Tahoe, you can sail anywhere". However, I bet many old salts say the same about their regions of sailing. Best sailing is usually late Summer to early Fall. Spring can get pretty gusty with averages of 15-30 kt wind and gusts to 70 over the ridges. Bryan
No Way!!!
I think it would be wise to go out in the morning then. or motor around. The wife will not stand for those kinds of winds. Nor will the boat. In fact, nor will I. I am a little crazy at times, but I am NOT stupid. Motoring and fishing is always a nice thing to do. Plus docking in winds like that, would be near impossible.
I think it would be wise to go out in the morning then. or motor around. The wife will not stand for those kinds of winds. Nor will the boat. In fact, nor will I. I am a little crazy at times, but I am NOT stupid. Motoring and fishing is always a nice thing to do. Plus docking in winds like that, would be near impossible.
Not trying to scare
There are many great days on the lake. It just has potential to get crappy quick--and Spring seems to be more unpredictable. The lake is a great place to sail, but watching the weather and planning ahead is a must. Also, those 70 mph gusts that the National Weather service reports are on the ridges and not at lake level. Unfortunately, there are many locals with horror stories of suddenly getting stuck in weather that was dangerous. I always have to wonder if they were in conditions that may have been forewarned with proper preparation. But there are other stories of great sailing days and the weekly beer can races seem to always go off without a hitch. My horror story happened on Lake Lahontan (east of Tahoe)many years ago. After being becalmed all day on my old 13 foot monohull, my buddy towed me in with his powerboat. As soon as we hit the beach, a black wall started coming at us from across the lake. It was a wall of 75+ nm wind that hit and maintained for the rest of the afternoon. It threw my boat 40 feet up the beach and swamped 2 moored powerboats. You couldn't walk outside due to the stinging pain from the blowing sand. I sure was glad I wasn't out in the water when it hit. But, that is the only time in the 31 years I've lived here that I ever saw a gust like that come on without any warning. Bryan
There are many great days on the lake. It just has potential to get crappy quick--and Spring seems to be more unpredictable. The lake is a great place to sail, but watching the weather and planning ahead is a must. Also, those 70 mph gusts that the National Weather service reports are on the ridges and not at lake level. Unfortunately, there are many locals with horror stories of suddenly getting stuck in weather that was dangerous. I always have to wonder if they were in conditions that may have been forewarned with proper preparation. But there are other stories of great sailing days and the weekly beer can races seem to always go off without a hitch. My horror story happened on Lake Lahontan (east of Tahoe)many years ago. After being becalmed all day on my old 13 foot monohull, my buddy towed me in with his powerboat. As soon as we hit the beach, a black wall started coming at us from across the lake. It was a wall of 75+ nm wind that hit and maintained for the rest of the afternoon. It threw my boat 40 feet up the beach and swamped 2 moored powerboats. You couldn't walk outside due to the stinging pain from the blowing sand. I sure was glad I wasn't out in the water when it hit. But, that is the only time in the 31 years I've lived here that I ever saw a gust like that come on without any warning. Bryan
Not Scared, just
wise. I have been there on the lake in the winter when it was blowing that bad, and I have a picture of my boys on our beach where the winds were kicking up more than a sailboat could handle, and the waves crashing on the beach were 2.5 feet with severe whitecaps.. I can handle some wind, but those that come out of nowhere are the ones to watch out for. The wind always seems to blow north, so it would ultimately push us home. The condo is in Kings Beach, and I can beach the boat until the wind and water calm down. My inlaws are not much for sailing, but my father in law loves to fish. We might do a little of both. I am still looking forward to going out, but I am not looking forward to the long drive to get there.
wise. I have been there on the lake in the winter when it was blowing that bad, and I have a picture of my boys on our beach where the winds were kicking up more than a sailboat could handle, and the waves crashing on the beach were 2.5 feet with severe whitecaps.. I can handle some wind, but those that come out of nowhere are the ones to watch out for. The wind always seems to blow north, so it would ultimately push us home. The condo is in Kings Beach, and I can beach the boat until the wind and water calm down. My inlaws are not much for sailing, but my father in law loves to fish. We might do a little of both. I am still looking forward to going out, but I am not looking forward to the long drive to get there.
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