Mast Rake for 240

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Sep 29, 2008
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hunter 240 Dewey beach, De
I would like to take some of the rake out my 240's mast. It was rigged by the co. I bought it from and is more severely raked than other H240's I have seen. It does help in pointing better. Since the bend has been in there for so long (10 yrs), can it be straightend out a little?

I am guessing I have to loosen the outer shouds to the spreaders and the inner upper shrouds to the top of the mast and tighten the forestay.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Mast prebend and rake are not the same thing. Why do you want to change the rake and/or prebend ??
 
Sep 29, 2008
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hunter 240 Dewey beach, De
I guess I mean the prebend. There are two other H240's right next to me in our maraina and both are not as bent as mine. I ordered a new main sail last year and the sail has a nice wrinkle it that will come our if I can get some of the prebend out of it
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
When you ordered your new main did you measure the boat or did the sailmaker? When the sail is built a luff curve to match the amount of prebend of the mast is part of the sail design. You cannot arbitrarily change one without changing the other. Do not assume the other boats have their rigs tuned correctly and yours wrong. Many skippers don't have a clue about proper rig tuning.
My suggestion would be to set up your rig with a tuning guide and use the luff curve of the new main to set your prebend. Set the mast rake at 1 to 2% and test sail your boat. Do not 'guess' at how the rig should be tuned. Follow the correct procedure and get it right. A Loos gauge is an invaluable tool that you should use to make your adjustments.
 
Sep 29, 2008
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hunter 240 Dewey beach, De
I got the sail from the Hunterowners website, a little more expensive than elsewhere, but I wanted to support the site and get the right sail for the boat. I believe the sail is cut the right way etc., and I can see if the rake or bend at the top of the mast would be just a coulple in inches froward it would take the wrinkle out of the sail. However I am afraid to overtighten the forestay and put to much stress on it and wonder if I can adjust the rake/bend by adjusting the inner stays as well. I agree about the Loos gage and will be borrowing one from a friend of mine.
 
Apr 27, 2010
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Hunter 23 Lake Wallenpaupack
Do you want to make the mast more straight or more bent? Isn't the 240 a fractional rig? I would think that tightening the forestay will pull the "middle" of the mast forward, bending it more. So if by "straightened out a little" you mean less bend, maybe loosening the forestay is what you want. Does the 240 have swept back spreaders? On my H23, tightening the uppers seems to bend the mast more, so maybe loosening those will help? The lowers seem to only control how straight the mast is, not much about bend or curvature. I tighten my uppers so the mast is vertical athwartships (I just do it by feeling how tight they seem, since I have no loos gauge), using a long tape measure to measure side to side. Then I do the lowers until they feel right (who knows how close I am) and the mast is straight sighting up the track. If I ever see looseness on the leeward shrouds, I'll tighten 'em all a bit. So far, so good.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
I fear you folks don't understand the use of forestay length, mast rake, prebend and rig tension. The length of the forestay is what controls mast rake, period! It is NEVER used to adjust any rig tension or prebend at any time. Prebend and rig tension are the domain of the shrouds. The cap shrouds increase prebend with increasing tension, the lower shrouds reduce prebend with increasing tension. After the rake is set (first thing) the prebend and shrouds tensions are adjusted.
 
Sep 29, 2008
50
hunter 240 Dewey beach, De
Thanks Alan I think it is starting to sink in. ON the B& R rig there is a set of inner shrouds start 1/3 of the way up the mast and go to the outside of the spreader. I'm thinking I should loosen them and tighten the outer shrouds that go from the chain plate up to the spreader and from there to the top of the mast???
 
Aug 10, 2010
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Catalina 25 The mountains
I would like to take some of the rake out my 240's mast. It was rigged by the co. I bought it from and is more severely raked than other H240's I have seen. It does help in pointing better. Since the bend has been in there for so long (10 yrs), can it be straightend out a little?

I am guessing I have to loosen the outer shouds to the spreaders and the inner upper shrouds to the top of the mast and tighten the forestay.

First, before you adjust anything, get a loos gauge. This is how you tell if your rig is tuned correctly. You sight up the mast, yes. But you need to know how much tension is on the stays before moving stuff around. Checking the tension is part of maintenance on a sailboat as things stretch over time so you should have a loos gauge anyway.

When I got mine, the rigging was too slack. It had about 100lbs of tension and had been out for a few sails that way. :eek: I'm glad I never took it out like that! I used Dave's link to adjust mine. I'm not racing or anything, I just want the mast properly supported.
I think a lot of new owners assume it's somewhat tuned by the factory which is why yours may seem to have more rake than others.
Mine wasn't. Or, it had stretched quite a bit since new. But that much too slack I doubt was from stretching.

Have you talked to the manufacture of the sail? I assume the previous sail on there was a stock sail which fit properly, yes?
 
Sep 29, 2008
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hunter 240 Dewey beach, De
Thanks everybody, got everything set up now. I took the tension off all the shrouds, when I did I found one of my T-balls was bent, have spares so replaced that. Then loosend the upper inner shrouds, tightened up the forestay a little bit and then tightend up the outer shrouds, went for a good sail and adjusted the upper inner shrouds. Now the rake and the prebend look good and I got the wrinkle out of the main from the mast top now a little bit more forward
thanks again
 
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