mast-mounted optics and bridge clearance

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Sep 25, 2008
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Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
If I had too, I could winch down on a pontoon boat to heel my Morgan 12 degrees. I'm more concered about determining the height of the bridge. When your talking about 3-6 inches of accuracy, charts, IMHO, won't cut it. It is ironic that the corps report pool height to a 100th of an inch.
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
I'd get something like this ($100 laser rangefinder), then hop in the dinghy to check the height that day. You could also potentially do it from a distance using the pythagorean theorem and a level. Perhaps the best thing would be to build yourself a jig on something like your bow rail because you need absolute level and you need to know the distance to the water accurately. Even then you will introduce a lot of error. A dinghy ride is the better option.

http://www.amazon.com/CST-Berger-TL...ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1298986759&sr=1-1
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
There are also quite a number of cheap wireless indoor/outdoor surveillance cameras out there. Some can be directed remotely to pan and tilt. You could measure the distance from fully hauled height from the fully hauled height of the camera on a halyard pretty accurately. You could then have an idea of whether or not you could make it from the mast head without all the fuss and bother of a permanent installation. I was shopping for something like this for a cat shelter to use to monitor their charges just yesterday and I am sure you could do something for under $100. I should do it just to be able to inspect my mast head from the deck.
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
I don't know if you found this, but it has a wealth of good info.

http://jfaughn.com/crew_boat_projects/projects/tenntom/tenntom.htm
Hi Bob,
Using your link I believe there were two bridges at 52. Using a 53' mast height and 12 degrees heal, I get 51.8'.
http://www.1728.com/trig.htm
With 53.5' that Snotter said he had, I get 52.3 at 12 degrees. Too bad there isn't a bumper bar like in the parking garages. I suppose you could check with a helium baloon from your dingy to be sure. The gas is fun at parties, too.
All U Get :yeah:
 

JVB

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Jan 26, 2006
270
Schock Wavelength 24 Lake Murray, SC
Here's another variation. Make a 90º triangle out of pieces cut from a wooden broom stick. Attach 2 or 3 sail slide slugs to the vertical side of the triangle. Attach the laser pointer to the horizontal side of the triangle but offset away from it about a foot. Hoist the triangle with the main halyard so that the laser light is shining forward horizontally over the top of the mast. It's a simple do-it-yourself project. And nothing is left out in the weather between uses.

Or bend a piece of metal conduit into a "?" shape. Put the pointer on top and sail slugs on the vertical section. Raise with main halyard.
 
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Sep 25, 2008
615
Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
There are some good ideas here. You all are definately getting into the spirit of this thing. I am beginning to think I should go for a camera, a laser pointer, and, a laser range finder. Independant verification is nice.

Also, thanks to those who post links.
 

JVB

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Jan 26, 2006
270
Schock Wavelength 24 Lake Murray, SC
Use a sextant to get the angle between water surface and span you need to pass under. Use a laser range finder to get the distance to the bridge. The sine of the angle multiplied by the distance will be exactly the span height if the measurements are taken at water level. A small error is introduced if you are higher than water level when you take the measurements.

Business opportunity: Combine a cheap calculator, an angle from horizontal or vertical measuring device, and a laser range finder to automate the procedure outlined above.
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
his mast hits the bridge, then it's HEAL.:):):)
You're right Stu, I looked it up on line and got both spellings. Note to self (Never trust the internet). I agree, the anchor light is at risk. There might be some local knowledge about the water flow from the locks that might make it work. I go under a fixed bridge in NH and have to wait for dead low tide. Once my VHF antenna touched a power line sagging under the bridge. Judging by the scrapes on the beams, some didn't make it. :doh:
All U Get
 
Mar 8, 2009
530
Catalina 22 Kemah,Texas
The laser pointer will be difficult or impossible to see on a sunny day, I use a laser distance measuring device a lot it's hard to see.

Has anyone thought of a bladder with air to lift one side along with weighting the other?

55 gallon barrels of air will provide #500 of buoyancy. And #400 pounds of ballast if full of water.

How much is required to achieve enough heel?
 

JVB

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Jan 26, 2006
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Schock Wavelength 24 Lake Murray, SC
Mount a machine gun on top of the mast. Fire a burst. If it hits the bridge then keep firing until you have sufficient opening to sail under. NOT

I've done some Internet searching and found that a green laser pointer with about 50 mw output, an On/Off switch, and a pulsed beam (about 30 pulses/second) to prevent overheating when left On for several minutes is what you should look for. That tends to take you to models intended for gunsights that are powerful enough to see in daylight.

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Laser-Sight-average-filter/dp/B0017000CA
 
Sep 25, 2008
615
Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
Mount a machine gun on top of the mast. Fire a burst. If it hits the bridge then keep firing until you have sufficient opening to sail under. NOT

I've done some Internet searching and found that a green laser pointer with about 50 mw output, an On/Off switch, and a pulsed beam (about 30 pulses/second) to prevent overheating when left On for several minutes is what you should look for. That tends to take you to models intended for gunsights that are powerful enough to see in daylight.

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Laser-Sight-average-filter/dp/B0017000CA
Awesome! You all have really got me expanding my original thinking. You gotta love the sailors here.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Business opportunity: Combine a cheap calculator, an angle from horizontal or vertical measuring device, and a laser range finder to automate the procedure outlined above.
My Caddy has a gadget that beeps if you back up towards someone/something. Perhaps get one of those but mount it up high and pointing forward...???
 
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