Mast Compression

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albinvega1865

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Dec 13, 2006
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Happy Holidays Everyone!
Here is a link to the newest addition to "Ready About's" Crew:

Flickr

Working on a file for the new boat and hope to contribute that to the site before the Spring.
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays!
Chris & Kerin
V1865 Ready About

Steve Birch steve@... wrote:
Hi

Couldnt agree more. You have taken all the correct precautions for
dis-similar metals. Sounds a good solution to the well known Vega
problem. I am sure you will not need any further precautions.

Happy Christas and a great New Year

Try the Vega Forum: HYPERLINK
"Pro Movies 60"www.albinvega.proboards60.com

Cheers to all

Steve Birch (Technical)
 
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stevebirch2002

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Nov 8, 2001
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Hi Marie

Based on the same block as the Beta BZ482. The block by Kubota is called
the Z482 which basically means it is 482cc. Looks like they use the 3
cylinder D722 as well.

Marinisation is by a different comapny.

Nanni also use this block for marinisation.

ANyone can buy the baisc engine blocks and do their own marinisation.
Only time proves if this is up to the job.

Hope this helps

Steve Birch (Technical)
 
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albinvega1865

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Dec 13, 2006
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Don't mean to butt in Marie, but I considered a Phasor for a refit on a Bristol 30' at one point in time and found the Beta to be almost 100 lbs lighter for the 20hp. I was going to remove the old A4 which is a bit lighter than many of the desiels that I looked at. The Beta engine fit the footprint more accurately and was closer in weight which is what I was hoping for.

Just food for thought...
Chris

marie marie mnhdl@... wrote:

Hi All,

To Steve particularly, what is the difference between this
Phasor Marine Propulsion P2-13-SM and the beta?

Thank you!

Marie

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trevy_kins

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Oct 31, 2019
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Hi Chuck, do I need to renew membership to access your site? I would
like to look at this article. Hope all is well. Thanks, Trevor Leech

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Chuck Rose
Sent: December 15, 2006 3:09 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Mast Compression
This is an often asked question Chris. You'll find an excellent
article, cleverly entitled "Mast Beam", complete with drawings, in
the VORM. You can download it (pdf file) at

Vega Owner's Repair and Maintenance Manual

The Vega Owner's Repair and Maintenance Manual is a collection of wisdom gathered by members of the American Vega Association over the last thirty-plus years. If you have a problem with a Vega 27 chances are that someone before you has addressed it and recorded it in the VORM
americanvega.org
Vega Owner's Repair and Maintenance Manual

Aloha,

Chuck Rose
SV Lealea, V1860
HOnolulu
Albin Vega - The American Vega Association Home Albin Vega - The American Vega Association Home

At 09:41 AM 12/15/2006, you wrote:
 
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pelagicasd

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Jan 28, 2001
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On the subject of mast compression. I've never had a problem with Lyric. I have noticed on later model Vegas that the support beam and posts are made with thinner wood. Comments? WaltTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: leecht@...: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:22:54 -0400Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Mast Compression

Hi Chuck, do I need to renew membership to access your site? I wouldlike to look at this article. Hope all is well. Thanks, Trevor Leech________________________________From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Chuck RoseSent: December 15, 2006 3:09 PMTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [AlbinVega] Mast CompressionThis is an often asked question Chris. You'll find an excellent article, cleverly entitled "Mast Beam", complete with drawings, in the VORM. You can download it (pdf file) at Vega Owner's Repair and Maintenance ManualVega Owner's Repair and Maintenance Manual Aloha,Chuck RoseSV Lealea, V1860HOnoluluhttp://americanvega.org Albin Vega - The American Vega Association Home At 09:41 AM 12/15/2006, you wrote:Has anyone out there beefed up their bulkheads/mast support beam ontheir boat that might have some pictures of how they did it?Our boat does not show any signs of stress, but was wondering if itmight be wise to be pro-active and not wait for signs or symptoms torear their ugly heads at an inopportune(sp?)time.Perhaps I should just leave well enough alone, and if you feelstrongly in agreement with this, I would be anxious to hear why aswell.Thanks for any and all input folks!WarmlyChris
 
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sailshiva

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Jun 6, 2007
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We have a Vega built in '72. For 10 years we sailed
it on the Columbia River at Hood River--wind surfing
capital of the world. We were almost always sailing
in very strong winds and putting maximum strain on all
our equipment. We broke lots of things, but never had
any inkling of mast compression.

Sheila & Howard
 
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stevebirch2002

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Nov 8, 2001
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Hi Walt

The sSeries I and II have thinner beams than the Series III which has a
much larger and stronger beam. I expect they beefed it up after the
problems with Series I & II

Steve
 
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groundhogyh

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May 30, 2006
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I have seen these metal plates that are curved on the top and flat on the bottom. They can be placed inside the cabin on the support structure for extra support. Somebody makes them and you can order them just for the vega.
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zaza_sese

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Oct 31, 2019
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I have a Vega from 1970 and got a bit of a problem with mast compression.
In my understanding from what I saw, the point is nto only the weakness of the beam, but also the rotation of the beam along its longitudinal axis (the lower beam edge shifts backward). Moreover, the two supports on the side might tend to bend (their middle point inward).
I replaced the whole thing, including the two side supports, with new, better dimensioned parts I made from oak wood and got perfect results. I also protected the internal parts with a layer of epoxy, since occasional water drops from the mast were keeping the wood wet.If you want to have more details please just ask.

zazaTo: albinvega@yahoogroups.comFrom: bestvega@...: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:32:48 +0000Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Mast Compression

On the subject of mast compression. I've never had a problem with Lyric. I have noticed on later model Vegas that the support beam and posts are made with thinner wood. Comments? WaltTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: leecht@...: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:22:54 -0400Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Mast CompressionHi Chuck, do I need to renew membership to access your site? I wouldlike to look at this article. Hope all is well. Thanks, Trevor Leech________________________________From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Chuck RoseSent: December 15, 2006 3:09 PMTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [AlbinVega] Mast CompressionThis is an often asked question Chris. You'll find an excellent article, cleverly entitled "Mast Beam", complete with drawings, in the VORM. You can download it (pdf file) at Vega Owner's Repair and Maintenance ManualVega Owner's Repair and Maintenance Manual Aloha,Chuck RoseSV Lealea, V1860HOnoluluhttp://americanvega.org Albin Vega - The American Vega Association Home At 09:41 AM 12/15/2006, you wrote:Has anyone out there beefed up their bulkheads/mast support beam ontheir boat that might have some pictures of how they did it?Our boat does not show any signs of stress, but was wondering if itmight be wise to be pro-active and not wait for signs or symptoms torear their ugly heads at an inopportune(sp?)time.Perhaps I should just leave well enough alone, and if you feelstrongly in agreement with this, I would be anxious to hear why aswell.Thanks for any and all input folks!WarmlyChris _________________________________________________________________
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stevebirch2002

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Nov 8, 2001
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Hi Zaza

The mast support is not via the two vertical door sides. The actual support is taken via the whole main bulkhead. The first sign of mast compression is the door supoports touch the cabin sole (floor).

Cheers

Steve B
 
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albinvega1865

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Dec 13, 2006
227
Hey there,

Just received an electric fuel pump and was wondering what the best way to install this was? Any suggestions, recommendations, advice or links to sites, I would be more than grateful.

You could always contact me off list as well!

Thanks everyone
Chris

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rchrdcoe

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Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
Chris-
When I installed a new pump, the first thing I noticed in the
instructions was to install it below the fuel tank. Pumps push
better than suck. I installed mine above the fuel tank in the bilge
with the Racor filter on a bracket I fashioned and epoxyed to the
side of the hull. I also built a header tank from a piece of pvc
pipe and installed that in the port locker on the bulkhead. A
bleeder screw installed in that. Now when I change Racor filters, I
bleed the air at the header tank. No need to use the bleed screw at
the secondary filter on the engine(Volvo). From the header tank to
the fuel pump on the engine is gravity feed.
Richard V1812

-- In AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com, Chris Graham albinvega1865@...
wrote:
 
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albinvega1865

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Dec 13, 2006
227
Hi Richard,

What exactly is a header tank, and what is it used for?
Chris

Richard coe.richard@... wrote: Chris-
When I installed a new pump, the first thing I noticed in the
instructions was to install it below the fuel tank. Pumps push
better than suck. I installed mine above the fuel tank in the bilge
with the Racor filter on a bracket I fashioned and epoxyed to the
side of the hull. I also built a header tank from a piece of pvc
pipe and installed that in the port locker on the bulkhead. A
bleeder screw installed in that. Now when I change Racor filters, I
bleed the air at the header tank. No need to use the bleed screw at
the secondary filter on the engine(Volvo). From the header tank to
the fuel pump on the engine is gravity feed.
Richard V1812

-- In AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com, Chris Graham albinvega1865@...
wrote:
 
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rchrdcoe

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Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
Chris-
The header tank is simply a tank above the engine so that a positive
pressure is always applied to the fuel line. prevents fuel from
draining out of the line when the engine is shut off and possibly
allowing air to enter the line. It also is a place for the air to
collect when changing the primary fuel filter. I crack the bleed
valve and let the elect. pump run 'till the air is expelled and fuel
comes out, then shut it off.
Richard
 
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rchrdcoe

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Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
Chris-
There is a description of this in the old VODCA repair manual. I
believe you can find it on the american Vega site. I don't have the
manual in front of me, so can't give you more exact info. (It's on
the boat).
Richard
 
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rchrdcoe

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Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
Chris-
I forgot to mention that the return line from the high pressure pump
is re-routed from the bilge tank to the header tank, thereby keeping
it from draining down.
Richard
 
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albinvega1865

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Dec 13, 2006
227
Oh...gotcha! that is genious! And you said that you made this out of PVC pipe? How was that done?

Chris

Richard coe.richard@... wrote:
Chris-
The header tank is simply a tank above the engine so that a positive
pressure is always applied to the fuel line. prevents fuel from
draining out of the line when the engine is shut off and possibly
allowing air to enter the line. It also is a place for the air to
collect when changing the primary fuel filter. I crack the bleed
valve and let the elect. pump run 'till the air is expelled and fuel
comes out, then shut it off.
Richard
 
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rchrdcoe

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Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
Chris-
I got a 4-5"dia. piece of pvc about 10-12" lg. glued a cap on each
end. Tapped a pipe thread in the cap at top and bottom for the
fittings. Inlet at top and outlet at bottom. Also a pipe thread at
other end cap for the bleed screw. I fashioned a wooden bracket to
mount it horizontally on the port bulkhead inside the cockpit
locker. Mount it with the bleed screw end slightly higher so the air
migrates to that end.
Richard
 
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albinvega1865

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Dec 13, 2006
227
Sounds good. And no worries that you might take out the tank with the anchor rode or various objects that seem to find their way into the lockers? It is pretty secure where it is?

Thanks Richard
Chris



Richard coe.richard@... wrote:
Chris-
I got a 4-5"dia. piece of pvc about 10-12" lg. glued a cap on each
end. Tapped a pipe thread in the cap at top and bottom for the
fittings. Inlet at top and outlet at bottom. Also a pipe thread at
other end cap for the bleed screw. I fashioned a wooden bracket to
mount it horizontally on the port bulkhead inside the cockpit
locker. Mount it with the bleed screw end slightly higher so the air
migrates to that end.
Richard
 
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