Now that I've read through all the repsonses to my question about using the winches on the H23 (and will be using them now on my next sail), I have a question about the use of the clamcleats and horn cleats on the mast. On my H23's mast, the main halyard exist the mast base. The jib halyard exits about 5 feet up from the mast base. There are two clamcleats, and two horn cleats with a winch in betwen the two sets. It would appear to me (again being a novice to the H23 this year) that the main halyard would use the bottom clamcleat but then be tied off at the upper horn cleat. Conversely, the jinb halyard would use the top clamcleat and then use the bottom horn cleat. The only real problem seems to be that the path from the top clamcleat to the bottom horn cleat is obscured slightly by the winch on the mast. This appears to be a stock setup and not one modified by the prior owner. I am also not ready to change the setup this year (maybe over the winter if necessary) but am just looking for advice on how others have used the setup. Also, if I do use the winch to crank the jib and main to be "razor sharp" as was suggested, how do others do this? Do you crank it tight, then poop the halyard in the clamcleat, then remove the line from the winch and tie off at the horn cleat? Do you somehow, feed the line through the clamcleat first and have it then feed to the winch? (That would seem to put extra wear on the line to me.) On the bigger boats I have raced on, there were always seperate winches for the main and jib and the line was left on the winch and then fed to either a jam or horn cleat. If I am going to use the winch to get the sail edge "razor sharp", I will need to remove the first line from the winch before raising the second. Thanks again.
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The clams let you use 1 winch for 2 halyards
Joel, You've got it right. the clams let you change out the halyards on the single winch. It's a little cumbersome but workable. I installed a small 6:1 tackle with cam cleat inside the anchor locker replacing the wire Hunter used for the jib foot. After that the winch change-over was no longer necessary. The tackle let me tension from the foot and also let me raise and lower the jib foot as required. Greg Ex H23'er
Joel, You've got it right. the clams let you change out the halyards on the single winch. It's a little cumbersome but workable. I installed a small 6:1 tackle with cam cleat inside the anchor locker replacing the wire Hunter used for the jib foot. After that the winch change-over was no longer necessary. The tackle let me tension from the foot and also let me raise and lower the jib foot as required. Greg Ex H23'er
Glad to see you're still reading, Greg
How's your S2 sailing? With the mod you made to the tack for the jib foot, (I still have a copy of the pictures you submitted awhile back), how did you actually raise your jib? Did you raise it using the halyard on the mast and then run (stretch?) forward and tigthen down the jib tack using your tackle setup? If so, then basically the tackle was for fine tuning the tightness of the luff after you got it approximately in the right position using the halyard, right? Did you lead the line for the tackle back to the mast or cockpit or just open up the anchor hatch, tighten and then drop it again? Thanks. Joel
How's your S2 sailing? With the mod you made to the tack for the jib foot, (I still have a copy of the pictures you submitted awhile back), how did you actually raise your jib? Did you raise it using the halyard on the mast and then run (stretch?) forward and tigthen down the jib tack using your tackle setup? If so, then basically the tackle was for fine tuning the tightness of the luff after you got it approximately in the right position using the halyard, right? Did you lead the line for the tackle back to the mast or cockpit or just open up the anchor hatch, tighten and then drop it again? Thanks. Joel
Shhhhhh...I'm trying to not be noticed
Joel, The S2 is very fine, thanks! I had her moved from Lake Texoma to my backyard (Lake Ray Hubbard). Now she's moored at the end of the street and is about to under-go a cosmetic refit. She is 80's to the core (it's all one shade of brown or another!)in the cabin and needs a little "improvement"
. She's got an OLD sterio with 10 tinny speakers and not enough watts to wrestle a cristal radio. This sort of junk will be made right over the rest of this year. We're preparing for a few ocean trips later on (I've retired) now that I've worked out HOW to move her. Who knows, maybe Steve D. and I can race to Centrial America . As for the jib foot down haul: I banded the jib halyard with a piece of black tape at the right location for halyard tension. I raised the jib snaped the band under the clam cleat, went forward, opend the anchor locker and pulled the jib foot down to deck level. I never figured out a good (to me) way of bringing the downhaul line out of the locker. I didn't want a trip line wandering across the deck and going thru the cabin was vetoed by the boss. :-(. So it stayed in the locker and worked very well. The 6:1 rig could tension the jib at least as fast as the mast winch could. Greg Ex H23'er
Joel, The S2 is very fine, thanks! I had her moved from Lake Texoma to my backyard (Lake Ray Hubbard). Now she's moored at the end of the street and is about to under-go a cosmetic refit. She is 80's to the core (it's all one shade of brown or another!)in the cabin and needs a little "improvement"
. She's got an OLD sterio with 10 tinny speakers and not enough watts to wrestle a cristal radio. This sort of junk will be made right over the rest of this year. We're preparing for a few ocean trips later on (I've retired) now that I've worked out HOW to move her. Who knows, maybe Steve D. and I can race to Centrial America . As for the jib foot down haul: I banded the jib halyard with a piece of black tape at the right location for halyard tension. I raised the jib snaped the band under the clam cleat, went forward, opend the anchor locker and pulled the jib foot down to deck level. I never figured out a good (to me) way of bringing the downhaul line out of the locker. I didn't want a trip line wandering across the deck and going thru the cabin was vetoed by the boss. :-(. So it stayed in the locker and worked very well. The 6:1 rig could tension the jib at least as fast as the mast winch could. Greg Ex H23'erRunning halyards past winch
Joel: The winch on my H23 is raised off the mast on a small bracket about 1/2 inch high. The bracket is narrow enough for the two halyards to pass on either side underneath without any obstruction. For a picture, see the related link below for the Z-Spar mast diagram for the H23. It is only shown for the masthead rig, but my rig is fractional. If you don't have this bracket, you should be able to order it directly from US Spars. Good luck. Peter H23 "Raven"
Joel: The winch on my H23 is raised off the mast on a small bracket about 1/2 inch high. The bracket is narrow enough for the two halyards to pass on either side underneath without any obstruction. For a picture, see the related link below for the Z-Spar mast diagram for the H23. It is only shown for the masthead rig, but my rig is fractional. If you don't have this bracket, you should be able to order it directly from US Spars. Good luck. Peter H23 "Raven"
That stero have an 8 Track too!
Greg, Glad to hear you're enjoying the S2 and I won't tell anyone that you're listening in still. Spent some time down on the "Wily Ray Hubbard" back in the early 80's. A friend had a 26' MacGregor which he spent trailering either to Lake Grapevine or out to Lake Ray Hubbard. Nice sailing as long as you watch out for the tree stumps under the water. Thanks for the pointers on the jib downhaul.
Greg, Glad to hear you're enjoying the S2 and I won't tell anyone that you're listening in still. Spent some time down on the "Wily Ray Hubbard" back in the early 80's. A friend had a 26' MacGregor which he spent trailering either to Lake Grapevine or out to Lake Ray Hubbard. Nice sailing as long as you watch out for the tree stumps under the water. Thanks for the pointers on the jib downhaul.
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