Marina Etiquette - Halyards

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Jun 21, 2007
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Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Expect that lots of forum members have been marina renters/residents for a long time and have more experience with waterfront etiquette:

I very seldom overnight on my boat at the slip, and the few times I have, its been calm. But also the wind can be strong. During the day when windy, for a couple of boats close by whose owners very seldom visit, loose wire halyards and shackles will bang loudly against the mast. Bothersome enough during day, but certainly will be more of an issue at night. Some halyard slap is to be expected at a marina, but if out of hand, is it considered appropriate to go aboard these boats and tension the halyards to quiet things down?

While on the general topic: How about if a neighbor's lines need adjusting, but the boat isn't yet banging hard in the slip as the fenders are cushioning the impact? Should I ignore or help out?

I would think absent owners would always welcome the assistance, but these days you never know. And if later some damage is discovered (due to the initial problem) its possible that the person who helped might be accused of being a contributor.

To date, I have never put foot on another's boat. Just like I won't go on my house neighbor's property unless I see a situation that must be rectified immediately.

Anybody have positive or negative stories to tell about marina neighbors helping out?
 

Clark

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Jun 30, 2004
886
Hunter 280 Lake Guntersville, AL
If you have a dock manager, inform them of loose lines/shackles and docklines. They can probably reset things w/o getting hassled by the owner.
 

larryw

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Jun 9, 2004
395
Beneteau OC400 Long Beach, CA
I don't hesitate for a second to go aboard a boat and tie off a slapping halyard with a length of small stuff. My marina is city-owned and the people in the office don't have a clue about boats.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,031
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Oldie but Goodie

The Romantic Sound Of Clanging Halyards
Sunday, November 28, 2004
By Capt. Alan Hugenot

C:\Stu Boat\C34\The Romantic Sound Of Clanging Halyards.doc
Have you ever been woken up at night while sleeping in a marina because the neighboring sailboat’s halyards were banging against the mast in the wind?
If you have ever tried to sleep through this constant noise, which is like someone continuously knocking on your door, then you know the dilemma which this causes for any poor sailor trying to sleep nearby.
Of course, the skipper of the offending boat is not there to hear the incessant slap, slap, slap, and he probably wants to keep those halyards ready to hoist sail as soon as he comes aboard, totally unaware that by doing so he is creating a nerve-racking noise machine.
So what can you do?
You can’t sleep and you are conflicted about what action to take.
You know that if you go aboard his boat and swing the halyards outboard around the spreader before making them fast again that the incessant slap will stop. And, you wonder why the inconsiderate skipper did not do that before he stowed his boat.
Maybe you also know that he only comes down to the marina once a month or even less to check his boat. You know he is totally unaware that you have to listen to his halyards going slap, clang, slap, clang every night.
On the other hand if you go aboard his boat to fix the problem, it will actually be trespassing - not quite breaking and entering - but trespassing none the less.
When he comes back to the boat, he may even get angry at the “prankster” who tangled his halyards around the spreaders, thinking “who would do such a thing, just to confound him.” He, of course, never realizing the true reason unless you tell him.
Yet, from a different perspective you might only be a “good Samaritan.”
For instance, if the halyard were loose and about to carry away through the top of the mast, then that same skipper would want you to quickly go aboard his boat (even though he had not given you permission) and “properly” secure it.
That simple act of neighborly seamanship would save him the grief of having to go aloft to re-thread the halyard through the top of the mast.
So wouldn’t it be the same thing here?
His halyard is clearly wearing itself out beating against the mast, and if you will just “properly” stow it for him, then it will not wear out as quickly. Also your nerves won’t wear out as quickly either.
This is no small problem.
I have lived aboard for several years, in both Seattle, Wash. and San Francisco, and have also spent a night or two in nearly every marina from San Diego to Seward, Alaska. In every one there are these slapping halyards.
At first you might think that a polite word to the offending skipper would solve the problem.
But, a couple of times when I asked the owner of an offending boat if they could take a moment before going ashore to quiet their halyards by rigging them away from the masts, they became defensive.
They acted like I was being rude for butting into their business, criticizing their seamanship.
They arrogantly pointed out that they knew what they were doing, had studied proper halyard techniques, and had graduated from ASA or US Sailing. They were not going to quiet their halyards by rigging them outboard.
Besides who was I to tell them anything.
In one case the offending skipper said that “If they found their halyards any different than how they chose to leave them” then they would blame me for trespassing on their boat, and would report it to the marina manager.
After this encounter, I could not stop the noise from his boat, and wished I had never spoken to him about it.
I knew that if I had never brought it up, I could have quieted his halyards and he would not know who “fouled” his lines.
Instead, I changed marinas and learned the lesson that my safest bet was to quiet all offending halyards myself, and do so without telling the owner that I was the culprit.
This “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy allowed me to sleep, and several weeks later when the offending skipper turned up to sail his boat I was not there to hear his wrath about “Whoever fouled his halyards was going to catch hell.”
I guess it comes down to who is more inconsiderate: Me for trespassing on his boat, or him for leaving the noisy halyard slapping against the mast.
It is such a simple thing to just tie the halyards off on the shrouds, or swinging them around the spreaders. Maybe 60 seconds to quiet every halyard on the boat.
Another, idea is to use a shock cord to pull them over toward the shrouds and away from the mast, and there are dozens of other ways to stop the slap, slap, slap.
Of course no way am I advocating that you climb on someone’s boat and adjust their halyards. Trespassing is something I would never encourage you to do.
Several times in marina parking lots I have heard novice boaters saying “Wow, listen to the clanging of the all the sailboats in the wind. Isn’t it romantic.”
So maybe it is a matter of perspective, or rather ignorance of the harm that may be caused by what may be romantic to one person and pollution to another, depending upon perspective.
It baffles me to no end why sailing instructors don’t teach this simple courtesy to their students.
It seems that simple courtesy should always be part of every lesson for novice sailors.
We live pretty close together on the water, which means we need to cultivate proper manners and respect for our fellow boaters. Learning how to rig our boat so that it does not create undue noise pollution should be part of every sailing lesson.
Actually, in California the boating laws are beginning to take notice of noise pollution.
Beginning in the fall of 2004 agencies will begin to enforce a new law that makes it illegal to have a power boat that is too noisy.
Maybe this idea that noise pollution on the water is a crime can be stretched to include sailboats that are too noisy. Clang, slap, clang - but it’s so romantic. Yea, right.
 
Jun 25, 2004
146
Catalina 310 Hilton Head
WOW! that's a little strong

I don't hesitate for a second to go aboard a boat and tie off a slapping halyard with a length of small stuff, and if anyone doesn't like it, then don't leave your halyards loose enough to slap the mast.
I would never feel comfortable going on someone else's boat uninvited unless we are very close, and I certainly wouldn't want someone on mine. I might however see if the line was close enough to snag with a boat hook and tie from the dock.
 
Jan 24, 2008
293
Alerion Express 28 Oneida Lake, NY
We don't sleep aboard, ever, so halyard slap is not a problem to us. That said, I think it's impolite to leave one's boat with slapping halyards, not to mention the damage it does to the spars and rigging.

I have reported improperly/poorly tied boats to our marina's owner and have also corrected some problems on my own. When I've taken matters into my own hands, I've always told the boat's owner; no problems, to date.

Paul
 
Mar 16, 2009
64
2 260 Lake Pleasant
We store our boat in a mast up lot and use the guest slips, which are mingled in with the annuals, at least once every weekend, so I can tell you what we do in both cases. What amazes me is the way some people leave their boats unsecured but that is a different topic.

Mast up lot:

Our storage lot is on the hill with the winds coming in off the lake so it can get pretty windy. If it is something minor, I go aboard and do what I can i.e. a mainsheet has come lose, covers loose, etc.. I would hope that other will do the same for me but we are pretty anal about tieing everything off as I hate to spend money on stupid mistakes.

After one big wind storm there were 4 boats, just in my yard, that had issues which I addressed. If it is a major issue, in one case I watch a shroud break and demast a boat...I call the office and inform them as now you are into insurance claims. Last year we had a monsoon micro burst the flipped some of the smaller racing boats

In the slips:

The marina policy is a $50-$100 "service fee" for marina staff to go aboard and tighten or tie off halyards that are considered "to be a noise nusiance" or reposition dock lines. The dock hands will go aboard or adjust dock lines and not report it to the office for an occasional issue but the repeat offenders do get charged.

Generally the power boaters will call the marina office and complain mostly out of lack of knowledge as what to do, a few out of spite. The sailors, for the most part, all look out for each other and go aboard and tighten or tie off haylards/dock lines, etc. then next time you see them let them know.
There are a few exceptions, they are on their own and pay the "service fees" but for the most part all seem appreciative.

As an insurance policy and just being good neighbors, we try to get to know the other sailors around us, (dry lot and marina slips) and watch out for each other. Since AZ summers are the off-season for some, the ones that leave town will ask the die hards to keep an eye on their boat.

Now having said all of that I have read that if you are the last person to adjust a dock line that you become liable for for the adjustment and any subsequesnt damage. I am not sure if is a maritime. local law or just a misinformed statement so maybe there are some that can add or correct this point.

Tim
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,125
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Leave it to Stu to provide a thoughtful reply.

I have gone aboard and tied off offending halyards if the access is easy. For boats on the hard that require a ladder to access, I have just lived with the noise. If I can find the owner the following day, I tell them of the problem. Unfortunately, the owner does not appear and the noise must be tolerated more days.

I think I will forward this thread to my marina owner and see what his opinion is on the issue.
 
Jun 8, 2004
550
Macgregor 26M Delta, B.C. Canada 26M not X
I always use bungee/shock cords to pull the lines away from the mast before leaving the dock so that no one need bother going aboard my boat to do it. To me it is just common courtesy and common sense, something many people do not posess. When I return to go sailing they are always still in place holding the lines from slapping and removing them is just a part of getting under way.
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
I have to constantly go around my marina and pick people's power cords up out of the water. This is quite a nusance and my zincs get eaten up very quickly around the marina. I have told most of the boat owners of the problem with having the power cord in the water but they don't seem to get it.

I think that this is similar to the halyard slap.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Unfortunately, some people just don't get it—this applies to the power cords in the water and the halyards slapping. I will often go around my marina and disconnect shore power cords that belong to boats that are not in their slips. Many will unplug the boat end but leave the cord live and plugged into the post.
 
Sep 19, 2006
643
SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
Unfortunately, some people just don't get it—this applies to the power cords in the water and the halyards slapping. I will often go around my marina and disconnect shore power cords that belong to boats that are not in their slips. Many will unplug the boat end but leave the cord live and plugged into the post.

electricity and water,:eek: i weld for a living at times and this cant be good
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
I stayed on my boat last night for the first time in my marina. There was a boat with the halyard tight against the mast so it was slapping about 5 times a second. I got on the boat tied a line to the halyard then pulled it to the forestay and tied it there. I removed it in the morning. I actually made sure my feet were clean as to not leave foot prints. I didn't think much of it. I would think that marinas would have some kind of policy about this. It was annoying and I wasn't about to try sleeping through it. I couldn't just talk to the owner. Obviously he/she is not there or they would rectify the situation.
There is no power except extention cords on the dock any where near my boat. It's actually a comfort to know nothing is eating my prop. But very inconvienent to not have shore power.
 
Aug 31, 2007
296
Catalina 30 Petoskey, Mich.
I have gotten up many, many times in the middle of the night (seasonal slip in municipal marina) and climbed aboard a nearby boat to quiet it down (when I know the owner only comes around once in a while) I buy a bag of cheap bright colored bungies and use them (donate them) as needed. I figure if I throw it in their face maybe they will get the picture. Actualy the Harbor master appreciates it. It is a very friendly and small marina, but some just don't get it.
The other thing that amazes me is the frayed and crappy dock lines people use!!! I don't even want to go there!!!!!!!!!

Gotta sleep!!
Dean
 
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