Mainsail furling

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Jun 4, 2004
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Hunter 28.5 Tolchester, MD
28.5 with Furling Main?

Bill, Can you post a picture of your 6,000 lb 28.5 with a furling main or are you pulling our collective legs? I've owned, single handed and raced my '86 28.5 since it was delivdered new 20 years ago. As designed, both the deep draft (7,000#) and shoal draft (7100#) 28.5's have a masthead double spreader B&R rig with swept back spreaders and 4 inches of pre-bend in a 'bendy'6" x 4" Kenyon spar. The Isomat spar found in some later 28.5's is 6.28"x4.10" and still has 4" minimum pre bend. there may be room for a wiring harness conduit and up to four halyards but certainly no place to put an in-mast furling system. What gives?
 
Aug 15, 2006
157
Beneteau 373 Toronto
Safety feature for single handing

For me, the inmast furling is a safety feature. I am usually by myself on Lake Ontario, which can get very windy. On my old CS30, reefing required heaving-to (no auto pilot)running back and forth from the mast to the main halyard winch; hard to do with waves of more than a few feet, and tough on the crew and the boat. On my beneteau 373, its really easy to take in a few feet of mainsail from the cockpit. I happily trade off some sail shape and a little speed for the safety and convenience. BTW with the vertical battens, the leach does have some shape to it. I don't know how many solo sailors don't reef when they should because they don't want to do the cockpit - mast - cockpit thing in a seaway, but I imagine its a lot.
 
Aug 9, 2005
772
Hunter 28.5 Palm Coast, FL
Bill, your 28.5 weighs 1100 lbs less than mine?

My 1988 weighs 7100 with the shoal draft keel. Is yours a bare shell inside? Still I don't think there's a half ton of stuff to remove.
 

BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,058
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
reefing

Hello, Not trying to hijack this thread, but reefing a standard main does not and should not be difficult. On my 1986 Newport 28, with single line reefing, I can reef the main in about 1 minute, and I never need to leave the cockpit. To reef the main: -I close the clutch on the main sheet and take it off the winch -take up the slack on the topping lift (lead back to cockpit) -lower the main to a mark on the halyard and close the clutch -put the reefing line on the winch, take up the slack and winch it snug and close the clutch -put the halyard on the winch and tension it (close the clutch) -slack the topping lift -put the main sheet on the winch, open the clutch and sail on. I can do it in less time it took to write. My new boat (86 O'day 35) has single line reefing system that I need to work on before I have the same amount of skill, but I'm sure I'll be able to reduce sail quickly and easily. While there are a lot of attraction to a roller furling main, being able to reef in a short time should be an advantage over single line reefing. Being able to reef any amount of sail area would sure be nice! Barry Barry Lenoble Curragh, 1986 O'day 35 Mt. Sinai, NY lenoble@optonline.net
 
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mike c

I don't own one, but.....

But I work at a Bene dealership. I see them all the time, I fix them all the time, I use them all the time, I would Never own one....
 
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Waffle

Re:I don't own one, but.....

I agree with you 100%. When they fail they fail hard. I have heard a lot of people complain about they. I know I can get my main sail down if I have too in a emergency, not sure I could say the same thing if I had a furling main sail.
 
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Warren Milberg

Furling mains...

2 years ago, I helped a friend deliver his new Beneteau 331. This boat had a furling main. A few observations based on a data base of one boat and one sailing experience: (1) the roachless main seemed small and performance of this boat suffered. I suppose it would have been somewhat better if the owner had bought a larger headsail than the 130 that I think came as standard equipment. We had a 20+kt breeze one day and had a hard time keeping up with a similar sized full keel Island Packet, which we should have walked away from. (2) When the wind rose to near 30kts we tried to roll up some main (the headsail was already reduced). It jammed in the slot. We may have caused the jam by using a winch and winch handle to try to tame the main and probably caused a jam in the furling line by causing it to overlap. We spent a nasty and awkward couple of hours trying to free the jam. In the end we did free the sail, but had a small tear in the foot. I came away thinking how nicely my conventionally jiffy reefed main on H28.5 works. I remember when roller furling headsails were in their early years and people had lots of jams and other problems with them. Most of today's headsail furlers are pretty reliable. Perhaps the main furling systems are still in need of some perfection. In the mean time, it seems to me they are costly, reduce performance, and failure prone. I guess I agree with the poster below who opined that when they work they are great; when they don't they ain't so great....
 

essman

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Nov 27, 2006
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Thanks to everyone who contributed to what turned into a very lively debate. And especially to those who actually answered my initial questions. It would appear far too expensive to retrofit but a good addition if it is already on the boat. Thanks again to everyone.....
 
Sep 6, 2005
69
Beneteau 331 Mark Twain Lake, MO
B331 - Hull speed at 15 knots; reefed at 20

Dragonfly is a 2003 Beneteau 331 with a furling main. I often hear discussions that the furling main looses a lot in performance. This has not been my experience. When she was new (clean bottom), we often hit theoretical hull speed (7.4 knots) or above (GPS) in 15 knot winds (true not apparent). Best GPS recorded 8.2 knot beam reach in consistent 15-18 knot winds. So I didn't think performance was too limited by furling main at or above 15 knots true. 15 knot true seems to be the reef point for us. Above 15 knots true, we are often reefed unless on a broad reach or run. The B331 and other Beneteaus I've sailed with the wide stern likes to be sailed upright. On a close haul we may have the main rolled in about a third and the 145 genoa rolled in about 2 ft. and can maintain a consistent 7+ knots in 18-20 knot winds. At 20 knots true, we reef the main in half way...to the traveler...and genoa in about 6 ft. In light air, we maybe losing a little in performance. However, I've found the lose in sail area is gained in the ease of adjusting the outhaul...trimming like a loose footed classic main. In 10 knot winds, easing the outhaul will give a jump in performance. A Tartan 37 owner bought a loose footed main after sailing with us and realizing the benefit. Like any system, I have to experiment and learn the system. Dragonfly is the only boat I've sailed with a furling main. I won't claim to be expert, just a good basic sailor. I've sailed other 22-45 ft boats ... some on the Great Lakes and BVI. I haven't had problems with the furling jaming, although I've had problems with the furling drum getting stiff and tight. Replacing the inhaul line took care of that. I'm probably on the conservative side although we have won our share of races. We reef early, reef deep and don't worry about getting the mazimum out of our boat. We sail for fun. For example, I recall a sail last summer with 15 knot winds. We were sailing close hauled along with other boats. A squal line was on the horizon. We decided to reef and pulled in the main half way...as we tacked...never missed a beat. Most of the others kept their mail full until the 25+ knot front hit, then were scrambling on deck to reef in the storm. 20 minutes later the front was through and the wind down to 12-15 knots. We released the inhaul and unfurled the main. Bottom line, I've read of the concerns with a furling main. I wouldn't spend $5,000 to change from a classic to a furling. I don't know if we'll have a furling main on our next boat. If we are retiring to sail the Carribean, it will probably be with a classic mail. If we stay on Mark Twain Lake, it may be a furling main.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Keep in mind..

Many of the newer desigend boats were designed for an in mast fruling main and have a lengthened the boom to make up for the loss of roach. I have a furling main on my Catalina and regularly keep up with, and often pass, 310's with full batten mains. A boat is MORE about the sailor than the sails! If you loose races it's nice to blame it on the main but it's not the case with the newer designs. If I put Paul Cayard on my boat with its wing keel and furling main I guarantee he could beat any current owner of a 310 with a fin and full batten main and by a large margin at that. That's just the reality! The convienience of a furling main can't be beat and we sail more because I can open or close my sails in less than 45 seconds. We now find we sail a lot more in the evening because we are not spending 10-15 extra minutes attaching / detaching the halyard, removing /re-installing the sail cover, flaking the main and putting on the sail ties etc.. The nay sayers are just jealous! Even salty sailors and world record holders like Dodge Morgan (American Promise) have furling mains on their boats a (Ted Hood Little Harbor). If you know how to use one, and it's different from a standard main, then you'll have NO problems..
 
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