On our Legend 45, the main Halyard got twisted and old and was rubbing on something inside the mast. We replaced the Halyard using the old one to pull the new down thru the mast. It ended up twisted like the old one and still rubbing and hard to pull down and up. Its an Isomat mast and 7/16 line. Has anyone had a problem like this and if so what was your cure? Other than normal maintanance it has very little problems, is cutter rigged and it is fast.
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Your Halyard
Seems you are asking two different questions. The halyard twisting comes from the way you coil the line when you stow it. Double braid should never be coiled in a loop. Each loop of the coiled line puts a 1/2 twist in the line. Instead it should be coiled in a figure'8'. That way when it is run out, there is no twist. Coiled lines also create what is commonly refereed to as an '*******'. As the twisted line is pulled through a block it twists back on itself and locks itself in front of the block. I would suggest that you check the deck level and masthead turning blocks. You may also have an internal halyard wrap. Test by easing all lines inside the mast pulling the halard with a load on it. If easing the other lines solves the problem you have an internal wrap. Last but certainly not least, your halyard is much too large. Large line has very high turning friction. Try a 3/8 spectra cored line. You will be amazed at the difference and it is much stronger and stretches way less.
Seems you are asking two different questions. The halyard twisting comes from the way you coil the line when you stow it. Double braid should never be coiled in a loop. Each loop of the coiled line puts a 1/2 twist in the line. Instead it should be coiled in a figure'8'. That way when it is run out, there is no twist. Coiled lines also create what is commonly refereed to as an '*******'. As the twisted line is pulled through a block it twists back on itself and locks itself in front of the block. I would suggest that you check the deck level and masthead turning blocks. You may also have an internal halyard wrap. Test by easing all lines inside the mast pulling the halard with a load on it. If easing the other lines solves the problem you have an internal wrap. Last but certainly not least, your halyard is much too large. Large line has very high turning friction. Try a 3/8 spectra cored line. You will be amazed at the difference and it is much stronger and stretches way less.
Looping Lines?
I read your response with interest re not looping double-braid lines and mentioned it to a guy who is puting together my spinnaker halyard/sheets. His view FYI is that it doesn't make any difference whether lines are double-braid or not. Simple looping of lines he says is best/OK but with any line one then has to be careful to 'shake-out' twists before use. He did emphasise however that for NEW lines one MUST be careful to roll it off the roll and not pull it off the top...so that there are no twists/kinks in it at the outset....he said when first used otherwise the line/halyard will be 'stuffed' forever. If he is right with latter...maybe this happened with Ron? Any other views on looping vs figure 8??
I read your response with interest re not looping double-braid lines and mentioned it to a guy who is puting together my spinnaker halyard/sheets. His view FYI is that it doesn't make any difference whether lines are double-braid or not. Simple looping of lines he says is best/OK but with any line one then has to be careful to 'shake-out' twists before use. He did emphasise however that for NEW lines one MUST be careful to roll it off the roll and not pull it off the top...so that there are no twists/kinks in it at the outset....he said when first used otherwise the line/halyard will be 'stuffed' forever. If he is right with latter...maybe this happened with Ron? Any other views on looping vs figure 8??
Found the problem
Thanks for all the response's guys. Your idea to check the other lines helped. We loosened all the other lines inside the mast and then pulled on one the new Halyard. They were ok but found the electric cable to the mast running light moving. When we pulled the new line in with the old halyard it pulled the new line right thru the jam same as the old halyard. Went up top dropped a line with chain down the Sheave not being used to the one on the bottom of the mast by-passing the jam then pulled the new halyard back out and in again on the new sheave route. Back in business. Thanks for all the info. Ron
Thanks for all the response's guys. Your idea to check the other lines helped. We loosened all the other lines inside the mast and then pulled on one the new Halyard. They were ok but found the electric cable to the mast running light moving. When we pulled the new line in with the old halyard it pulled the new line right thru the jam same as the old halyard. Went up top dropped a line with chain down the Sheave not being used to the one on the bottom of the mast by-passing the jam then pulled the new halyard back out and in again on the new sheave route. Back in business. Thanks for all the info. Ron
Alan
Thanks....as I'm about to get 30m of spinnaker sheets delivered ready for weekend operation...I'll take your advice?
Thanks....as I'm about to get 30m of spinnaker sheets delivered ready for weekend operation...I'll take your advice?
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