I am interested into getting a "lunch hook" for my Hunter 25.5. My boat has an anchor not sure of the size. (I have only owned the boat a few months and never anchored her.) Anyway the area I sail in has sandy bottom. I am just wondering what type of anchor, what size, etc. and the general technique used. Can you set a "lunch hook" from the stern? Thanks, Jeremy
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question. My friends had anchored their dink with the smallest bruce anchor available. Then they went sailing in their O'day 27. When they returned to their dink they decided to just tie her on and go somewhere else. They said the litte bruce anchor stopped the O'day. That is one answer, Next answer Dobbs said that they had dropped the hook for the night and didn't make an effort to "set " it because it was calm. Next morning, still calm he goes for his morning swim and dives on the anchor, it is just laying on the bottom. It held the boat through 2 tide changes without being dug in. Next answer; Another couple that I read about dropped their "lunch" hook and ate lunch and took a nap, and a thunderstorm kicked up and they dragged until they could start the engine and regain control. Nobody got hurt and nothing got broke. So back to your question, "how big a lunch hook do I need"? I think that the answer lies in how well you pay attention to the world around you. and yes you can anchor from the stern.
question. My friends had anchored their dink with the smallest bruce anchor available. Then they went sailing in their O'day 27. When they returned to their dink they decided to just tie her on and go somewhere else. They said the litte bruce anchor stopped the O'day. That is one answer, Next answer Dobbs said that they had dropped the hook for the night and didn't make an effort to "set " it because it was calm. Next morning, still calm he goes for his morning swim and dives on the anchor, it is just laying on the bottom. It held the boat through 2 tide changes without being dug in. Next answer; Another couple that I read about dropped their "lunch" hook and ate lunch and took a nap, and a thunderstorm kicked up and they dragged until they could start the engine and regain control. Nobody got hurt and nothing got broke. So back to your question, "how big a lunch hook do I need"? I think that the answer lies in how well you pay attention to the world around you. and yes you can anchor from the stern.
Horizontal Load
According to this link: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/anchorin.htm I need an anchor with 125#'s of Horizontal Load, but I really understand how that translates to an 8#, 12#, etc Anchor. Thanks, Jeremy
According to this link: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/anchorin.htm I need an anchor with 125#'s of Horizontal Load, but I really understand how that translates to an 8#, 12#, etc Anchor. Thanks, Jeremy
Lots of ways...
... to skin the "lunch hook" cat. I assume you are looking for a fair weather anchor to be used only for a short time and that is quick and easy to deploy and recover. My answer would be to use a 12-lb Danforth, which I think would more than enough for a boat displacing 4500 lbs or so. Add about 8 ft of chain on 1/2 inch nylon rode and you should be set to go. I have frequently anchored my H28.5 from the stern when sailing alone. Just make sure you keep moving downwind and don't foul your prop with the rode. Once the anchor is set, I simply walk it around to the bow, let out the right amount of scope, and settle down for lunch.
... to skin the "lunch hook" cat. I assume you are looking for a fair weather anchor to be used only for a short time and that is quick and easy to deploy and recover. My answer would be to use a 12-lb Danforth, which I think would more than enough for a boat displacing 4500 lbs or so. Add about 8 ft of chain on 1/2 inch nylon rode and you should be set to go. I have frequently anchored my H28.5 from the stern when sailing alone. Just make sure you keep moving downwind and don't foul your prop with the rode. Once the anchor is set, I simply walk it around to the bow, let out the right amount of scope, and settle down for lunch.
If I read the link properly then a
working anchor for a ten foot pram would serve for a light anchor. Probably the smallest Danforth that you could find. The work boats down here in the chesapeake use a shop made pick anchor. The secret to holding on to the bottom is all in the chain. A long heavy chain will make a light anchor hold better than a heavy anchor with a short light chain.
working anchor for a ten foot pram would serve for a light anchor. Probably the smallest Danforth that you could find. The work boats down here in the chesapeake use a shop made pick anchor. The secret to holding on to the bottom is all in the chain. A long heavy chain will make a light anchor hold better than a heavy anchor with a short light chain.
For a lunch hook I have
a 15 pound Northill with twenty feet of 1/4 inch chain and a 1/2 inch nylon rode. I get to wher I want to be and stop everything and just slip it off the stern and cleat it there. Whenit is time to leave the anchor comes up first and is stowed, then the sails are hoist and we're on our way.
a 15 pound Northill with twenty feet of 1/4 inch chain and a 1/2 inch nylon rode. I get to wher I want to be and stop everything and just slip it off the stern and cleat it there. Whenit is time to leave the anchor comes up first and is stowed, then the sails are hoist and we're on our way.
Hunter Hunt
Up, Do not anchor from the stern, you'll get a sern lesson, okay to stop the yacht or single hand, keep the bow into the wind, and do not use two anchors unless there is no choice. I owned a Hunter 25 too. My 'lunch hook' BTW this means that you are staying aboard, and indeed ready to up hook and sail way at any given time, mine was a 3 kilo Bruce, and held the little boat in 30+ kts of wind, but not much sea; it had no fetch as I was anchoring near Sausalito in Richardsons Bay, and other areas around SF Bay. Must have aome chain shackled to it, 20ft, this provides the "catinary" (horizontal pull) needed to keep the vessel from dragging. You can use a Danforth, but not to be trusted in a shift; CQR, Bruce, or even a Delta are superior to the DAnforth.
Up, Do not anchor from the stern, you'll get a sern lesson, okay to stop the yacht or single hand, keep the bow into the wind, and do not use two anchors unless there is no choice. I owned a Hunter 25 too. My 'lunch hook' BTW this means that you are staying aboard, and indeed ready to up hook and sail way at any given time, mine was a 3 kilo Bruce, and held the little boat in 30+ kts of wind, but not much sea; it had no fetch as I was anchoring near Sausalito in Richardsons Bay, and other areas around SF Bay. Must have aome chain shackled to it, 20ft, this provides the "catinary" (horizontal pull) needed to keep the vessel from dragging. You can use a Danforth, but not to be trusted in a shift; CQR, Bruce, or even a Delta are superior to the DAnforth.
Classifieds on this web site
There is an anchor, chain and rode set up in the classifieds of this web site. Could be what your looking for. If your looking for advice of a manufacturer I found the Fortess anchor to work best for me. It's great in sand and is lighter than most but has the same holding power. I have a weaken lower back and the lighter Fortress anchor was just what the doctor ordered for me. Good luck, Jack
There is an anchor, chain and rode set up in the classifieds of this web site. Could be what your looking for. If your looking for advice of a manufacturer I found the Fortess anchor to work best for me. It's great in sand and is lighter than most but has the same holding power. I have a weaken lower back and the lighter Fortress anchor was just what the doctor ordered for me. Good luck, Jack
Stern Anchor
I use a 10# danforth with 6' of 1/4" chain and 20' of 1/2" rode. I tie it onto my stern swim platform hand rails when I anchor out overnight. It does a good job of keeping the boat in place and does dig in well (evident in all the mud I have to scrape off each time I pull it up). I haven't tried it for a lunch anchor but sure it's more then enough for that...after all, if your having lunch on the water, I'm sure the wind isn't blowing hard and you have plenty of room for a little dragging anyway.
I use a 10# danforth with 6' of 1/4" chain and 20' of 1/2" rode. I tie it onto my stern swim platform hand rails when I anchor out overnight. It does a good job of keeping the boat in place and does dig in well (evident in all the mud I have to scrape off each time I pull it up). I haven't tried it for a lunch anchor but sure it's more then enough for that...after all, if your having lunch on the water, I'm sure the wind isn't blowing hard and you have plenty of room for a little dragging anyway.
Lunch (or Brunch?)
We like the aluminum Fortress FX-11 for our 31-ft boat. It's only 7 lbs., and looks too small, but this model is the size recommended for our boat. This danforth styled anchor works well in either sand or mud. I originally bought the Fortress to keep weight off the bow, and use it without chain for lunch or emergencies. We use a different anchor for overnighters. Practical Sailor magazine has a test of lunch hook anchors in mud, for 35 ft boats in its latest issue. These are a little larger than you're looking for, but the holding differences for the different styles are interesting.
We like the aluminum Fortress FX-11 for our 31-ft boat. It's only 7 lbs., and looks too small, but this model is the size recommended for our boat. This danforth styled anchor works well in either sand or mud. I originally bought the Fortress to keep weight off the bow, and use it without chain for lunch or emergencies. We use a different anchor for overnighters. Practical Sailor magazine has a test of lunch hook anchors in mud, for 35 ft boats in its latest issue. These are a little larger than you're looking for, but the holding differences for the different styles are interesting.
Fortress
Dear Jack, I too have a herniated disc and so can relate. Now I am sure you will not folow my advice, but look at this from an objective stand: 1) This anchor has BEEN working for you. 2) There will be a condition that it will fail. 3) There will be a condition that ANY anchor will fail; on expeditions we use to call this 'an objective danger' simply means you cannot eliminate all danger, just the subjective ones (things you can control, like having the 'right' anchor or crampons). 4) Just because you haven't shot yerself playin Russian-roulette don't mean ya aint gonna with the next shot... A fortress is a glorified Danforth, and worthless if you want to go ashore. Why? because ALL Danforths have the nasty habit of fouling their flukes, when the wind shifts theya are designed to flip over and reset. MANY TIMES THEY DO NOT! I have no motive here other than your safety. If I had an ego for this I'd use my real name and address.
Dear Jack, I too have a herniated disc and so can relate. Now I am sure you will not folow my advice, but look at this from an objective stand: 1) This anchor has BEEN working for you. 2) There will be a condition that it will fail. 3) There will be a condition that ANY anchor will fail; on expeditions we use to call this 'an objective danger' simply means you cannot eliminate all danger, just the subjective ones (things you can control, like having the 'right' anchor or crampons). 4) Just because you haven't shot yerself playin Russian-roulette don't mean ya aint gonna with the next shot... A fortress is a glorified Danforth, and worthless if you want to go ashore. Why? because ALL Danforths have the nasty habit of fouling their flukes, when the wind shifts theya are designed to flip over and reset. MANY TIMES THEY DO NOT! I have no motive here other than your safety. If I had an ego for this I'd use my real name and address.
Ron, you are correct
Ron, I haven't a clue what your talking about, The man asked about a lunch hook and I stated clearly what worked for me and why. I haven't started a post with " I am not an expert" for a while but maybe I should. Perhaps you have my name mixed up with someone else? My advice to you is, Address your comments to the person asking the question and let that person pick and choose from the responses. I stand by what I stated in the previous post. THE FORTRESS IS A FINE ANCHOR IN THE SAND FOR A LUNCH HOOK. If you don't like my advice or ideas, ignor it!! Jack
Ron, I haven't a clue what your talking about, The man asked about a lunch hook and I stated clearly what worked for me and why. I haven't started a post with " I am not an expert" for a while but maybe I should. Perhaps you have my name mixed up with someone else? My advice to you is, Address your comments to the person asking the question and let that person pick and choose from the responses. I stand by what I stated in the previous post. THE FORTRESS IS A FINE ANCHOR IN THE SAND FOR A LUNCH HOOK. If you don't like my advice or ideas, ignor it!! Jack
Key Words " Lunch Hook"
I think Ross said it in reply #1. I chose (25 O'day fresh water lake)a lunch hook/fishing anchor from one of three anchors on board. I have a 4.4#, 11#, and a 16# bruce style anchor. The 4.4 has about 40' of 5/16 polyester( leftovers). The 11# has 10' of chain and 40' feet of 3/8" doublebraided nylon. The 16# has 30' of chain and 40' of 3/8 double braided nylon. I have three 40' hanks of additional 3/8" double braided nylon to add to anyone of those anchors in the lazerette. I anchor off the stern to lunch/fish and in windy conditions off the bow. I chose the one that will do the job at the time and condition ( both the weather and my condition) that I will use it. Note: The first anchor out is the lightest possible. The 4.4# off the stern does 50% of our short stays. r.w.landau
I think Ross said it in reply #1. I chose (25 O'day fresh water lake)a lunch hook/fishing anchor from one of three anchors on board. I have a 4.4#, 11#, and a 16# bruce style anchor. The 4.4 has about 40' of 5/16 polyester( leftovers). The 11# has 10' of chain and 40' feet of 3/8" doublebraided nylon. The 16# has 30' of chain and 40' of 3/8 double braided nylon. I have three 40' hanks of additional 3/8" double braided nylon to add to anyone of those anchors in the lazerette. I anchor off the stern to lunch/fish and in windy conditions off the bow. I chose the one that will do the job at the time and condition ( both the weather and my condition) that I will use it. Note: The first anchor out is the lightest possible. The 4.4# off the stern does 50% of our short stays. r.w.landau
Sandy bottom
We have a Hunter 20, which is a little less than half the displacment of your boat. However, you can probably extrapolate from our experiences. We have a 5 pound Danforth HT, with about 8 feet of chain and using 3/8" rode. In Colorado we have mostly sand bottoms. Our anchor has NEVER let us down. (Knock on wood!
We wereoncein a storm that blew docks loose at some marinas, and when we woke up in the morning, we had shifted 180 degrees, but the anchor never moved, except to reset. This is our main anchor, but it's one of the smallest made, and easy to store, and easy to use. Why buy a lunch hook?
We have a Hunter 20, which is a little less than half the displacment of your boat. However, you can probably extrapolate from our experiences. We have a 5 pound Danforth HT, with about 8 feet of chain and using 3/8" rode. In Colorado we have mostly sand bottoms. Our anchor has NEVER let us down. (Knock on wood!
We wereoncein a storm that blew docks loose at some marinas, and when we woke up in the morning, we had shifted 180 degrees, but the anchor never moved, except to reset. This is our main anchor, but it's one of the smallest made, and easy to store, and easy to use. Why buy a lunch hook?consequences
Choose your anchor according to the consequences of dragging. We have had lunch where rocks were nearby. We have stopped where it was all mud. We used a 12# danforth routinely with a 26 foot boat no problem. The biggst problems that we have had is fouling on trees in a lake and the anchor sliding on grass at the coast. With good sticky mud almost any anchor will work. We have had great luck with a bruce in all conditions. But if you are awake and alert and on deck almost any anchor will work in good conditions.
Choose your anchor according to the consequences of dragging. We have had lunch where rocks were nearby. We have stopped where it was all mud. We used a 12# danforth routinely with a 26 foot boat no problem. The biggst problems that we have had is fouling on trees in a lake and the anchor sliding on grass at the coast. With good sticky mud almost any anchor will work. We have had great luck with a bruce in all conditions. But if you are awake and alert and on deck almost any anchor will work in good conditions.
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part of the problem, is people forget that each anchor has a weakness and with danforths, its grass bottoms. I have two danforths and looking to get a third non-danforth for the other stuff, but right now here in Galveston Bay, we mainly have mud thanks to all the rivers around here that dump into the gulf. There is an anchor, I forget the name, that looks like the type of hook you throw up on a roof-top when climbing that I might by. I know it starts with a B, something like Bugrwa. It had a great review from one of the magazines, but I'm just not totally sold on it's holding capabilities, but I sure will reset easily. GOOOO BRONCOS
part of the problem, is people forget that each anchor has a weakness and with danforths, its grass bottoms. I have two danforths and looking to get a third non-danforth for the other stuff, but right now here in Galveston Bay, we mainly have mud thanks to all the rivers around here that dump into the gulf. There is an anchor, I forget the name, that looks like the type of hook you throw up on a roof-top when climbing that I might by. I know it starts with a B, something like Bugrwa. It had a great review from one of the magazines, but I'm just not totally sold on it's holding capabilities, but I sure will reset easily. GOOOO BRONCOS
Bulwagga is the anchor you're thinking about
And that's about all I know about it! Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8 (14# Danforth lunch hook on 200' of 1/2" rode & 10' 3/8" chain)
And that's about all I know about it! Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8 (14# Danforth lunch hook on 200' of 1/2" rode & 10' 3/8" chain)
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