Loosing A Main Halyard Shackle Up the Mast!!

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Auric Horneman

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What I did is I put an over sized clip on the haylard and if it goes up the mast it comes down.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Whats the big deal?

I carry a pair of ascenders and climbing harness on board. You're up and down in a couple minutes with no sweat. No one needs to crank anything and going aloft with ascenders is very easy no matter what you weigh. I am up at least 5 times a year.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
I agree with Alan (that's a first)

you have to have a simple way to do it at sea or you will be like the guy who drifted for months because he couldn't get up his mast. I have a harness and climbing gear and I've had to go up on the water too and was sure glad I had the equipment. Best part is that the equipment can fit in a shoe box and is very light. If your by yourself, you can still go up too. People have got to learn to be self reliant.
 
May 24, 2004
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Catalina 27 Horseshoe Bay, BC
How much wieght...

will the halyard block hold? Doug says he is 220 pounds, and that is his excuse. But is it a good one? For example I have a Catalina 27 and have often wondered if I could use the jib or main halyard to go up the mast. I weigh 230, slightly more than Doug (assuming his scale works properly).
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
If the halyard goes over the mast head

250 lbs won't be a big deal but don't climb the mast on a cheek block. Remember that the load on the line will 250 but the load on the block will be twice that.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,260
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
How much weight.. response

Richard, you and I are about the same size. I've been up my mast on my C27 a few times using a bosun's chair. The sheave isn't a problem with only a few hundred pounds weight. The biggest issue is the shackle connection, so I've always used one of my all rope jib halyards tied though the D ring on the chair harness with the other jib halyard as backup. When changing rigging I've use one jib halyard for the chair, one to replace the shroud being replaced and the wire/rope main halyard as a backup. Here, the shackle is clipped to the D-Ring, which makes it easier to get around the spreaders. Another issue with people our size is finding folks strong enough to winch us up. Unless you have 2-speed self-tailing winches and a 10 inch handle you're wife will probably have a lot of trouble hoisting you, so find some muscle on the dock and let her handle the back-up halyard.
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
200 Lbs /- *yks

And my solution is I have an extra wire working halyard that I tie a line to and run it to my windlass that has a capspan on top of it then I tie the bosuns chair to the other side of the wire,another solution is I found an item on EBay that attaches to your haylard and becomes a mast ladder (MastMate), I tried it outlast summer and was up the mast in no time and I had a bosuns chair as a backup with no effort on the person at the main 2 speed winch other than take up slack. Of course if I lost the main halyard I'd have to just use the ladder without backup.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
You are taking a life threatening

risk if you are using a wire to rope splice for lifting a people.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
You are taking a life threatening

...chance. First, you NEVER use a shackle as your connection to anything that YOU hang on. Tie a bowline and then clip in the shackle as a backup. Second, you NEVER go up on a rope/wire splice. As for the weight issue. Using ascenders elimanates this problem totally. You don't need winches, grinders, or anyone on board. You simply pump your way up with your legs by sitting and standing(very easy). Third, halyard turning blocks handle way more load than anyone can weigh. Fourth, a bosuns chair is a poor(at best) way to go aloft. In a climbing harness, you can get knocked unconscious and not fall. Can't say that of the bosuns chair.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Alan, You never use a SNAP shackle

to secure a halyard to a people. A screw pin shackle is ok.
 
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John

Two for one sale

Alen Have I got a sale for you in fact it's a 2 for one sale. Reach up as far as you can on the mast cut your old line and tie a lighter line to it making sure it is tight, then let gravity take over, a little rattling and shaking may make it move. When you get you old snap shackle down you can replace it and your old and worn out and cut line.
 
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Bob

Post Script

Thanks for all the methods, procedures, and attempts to aid in my lost shackle problem. We had someone go up the mast to retrieve the shackle as well as drop in a few new bulbs on the deck and steaming light. Interestingly he observed some rot in the halyard for the genoa, so our plan is to install new halyards. My plan is to simply bend the shackle to create a tighter fit of the locking arm, AND ensure my crew is thoroughly educated on the procedure. Lessons learned, but thats why I love coming to this board to share and to learn. Bob Catalina 30 "Breezin II" Lake Lanier, GA
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
Wirerope

Ross BTW, that extra wirerope is just that with nothing but an eye splice on each end and about as long as my mast.I should not have called it a halyard,I had a wire to rope halyard on a old 24 bristol and used to worry about its strenth holding the main in a high wind and wouldn't think about going aloft on a halyard of that type.
 
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