Fellow Sailors, I am looking to change the interior hull lining in our 1987 Hunter 31. Starting to look bad. Over the years I have seen some really nice hull interior lined with wood. I can remove the old carpet lining without to much trouble, but haven't been able to find the wood here in my part of the country to replace it. So I am looking for some advice from anyone who has done this before, or just has any advice or information on where to find the wood. We build big arches on the riverfront and make pretty good beer around here, but if you need something special for a sailboat, you get "HUH". "Now what is it ya need." I believe it is called Wainscott stripping, or tounge and groove stripping and is light in color. So will be wishing all a Merry Christmas and good wind and calm water. Thanks, Robert St. Louis, MO "As Time Goes By"
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Look on internet or local Yellow Pages under "Hardwood". Surely in St. Louis there is a specialty hardwood place around. Tony B
Look on internet or local Yellow Pages under "Hardwood". Surely in St. Louis there is a specialty hardwood place around. Tony B
Types of wood
Teak wood would be the best, but is extremely expensive. Cedar is a soft wood but is very resistant to bugs and rot. Fir would be a good replacement and not overly expensive. I plan to replace some teak with fir next year. Good luck.
Teak wood would be the best, but is extremely expensive. Cedar is a soft wood but is very resistant to bugs and rot. Fir would be a good replacement and not overly expensive. I plan to replace some teak with fir next year. Good luck.
H & L Marine Rancho Domiguez, CA.
Robert: Try getting in touch with H&L Marine in Rancho Domiquez, CA. They are the OEM builders for Catalina and should be able to help you out. I am assuming that you want to replace the carpeted areas like the V-berth and aft berth areas, maybe the areas above the sliding doors in the main salon area too? I was going to do this on my 31 but sold it before I got around to it. I had plans to glue strips of ply to the hull interior and then use stainless steel nails in a nail gun to apply the individual battens. Good luck
Robert: Try getting in touch with H&L Marine in Rancho Domiquez, CA. They are the OEM builders for Catalina and should be able to help you out. I am assuming that you want to replace the carpeted areas like the V-berth and aft berth areas, maybe the areas above the sliding doors in the main salon area too? I was going to do this on my 31 but sold it before I got around to it. I had plans to glue strips of ply to the hull interior and then use stainless steel nails in a nail gun to apply the individual battens. Good luck
Try this link for places around St. Louis
http://www.superpages.com/yellowpages/C-Lumber+Yards/S-MO/T-St.+Louis/ As mentioned, do not go to any big box store hoping to find this product. The milled product you mentioned we call 'Wainscotting' here on the east coast and it comes in bundles of around 15 - 20 square feet per bundle. It has a bead and is tongue and groove (T&G) and looks nice when finished. Be sure you try to get the thickest (probably 3/8" to 1/2" thick if you are lucky) stock for strength and pay attention to the species of wood. Also as mentioned, cedar or fir would be a good choice of wood species due to rot resistance but I think that they make 'Wainscotting' T & G siding out of either yellow pine, fir, or other pine. I think that mahogany would look nicer and hold up well but would be more expensive but I am pretty sure you would have to have someone make up mahogany 'Wainscotting' (or do it yourself from mahogany stock) rather than being able to buy it already milled (shaped). To put a spin on Ross' "wood until it takes the size and shape of a board"; 'Dimension Lumber' is stuff that has been shaped into boards like 2" x 4" in specific lengths, wood stock or species lumber can come with as few as 2 sides of the board already milled smooth and you can mill any specie of wood (cherry, oak, ipe, teak etc) into parts for furniture or boats. Places that sell species wood to cabinet makers is where you would go for your more exotic woods, not MegaLoMart. I worked in a lumber yard many years ago and we sold 'Wainscotting'. We might not have had enough in stock for your order today but could easily provide it to you tomorrow from a supplier. I am just not sure how well pine will hold up over time.
http://www.superpages.com/yellowpages/C-Lumber+Yards/S-MO/T-St.+Louis/ As mentioned, do not go to any big box store hoping to find this product. The milled product you mentioned we call 'Wainscotting' here on the east coast and it comes in bundles of around 15 - 20 square feet per bundle. It has a bead and is tongue and groove (T&G) and looks nice when finished. Be sure you try to get the thickest (probably 3/8" to 1/2" thick if you are lucky) stock for strength and pay attention to the species of wood. Also as mentioned, cedar or fir would be a good choice of wood species due to rot resistance but I think that they make 'Wainscotting' T & G siding out of either yellow pine, fir, or other pine. I think that mahogany would look nicer and hold up well but would be more expensive but I am pretty sure you would have to have someone make up mahogany 'Wainscotting' (or do it yourself from mahogany stock) rather than being able to buy it already milled (shaped). To put a spin on Ross' "wood until it takes the size and shape of a board"; 'Dimension Lumber' is stuff that has been shaped into boards like 2" x 4" in specific lengths, wood stock or species lumber can come with as few as 2 sides of the board already milled smooth and you can mill any specie of wood (cherry, oak, ipe, teak etc) into parts for furniture or boats. Places that sell species wood to cabinet makers is where you would go for your more exotic woods, not MegaLoMart. I worked in a lumber yard many years ago and we sold 'Wainscotting'. We might not have had enough in stock for your order today but could easily provide it to you tomorrow from a supplier. I am just not sure how well pine will hold up over time.
Most hardwoods and exotics...
Most hardwoods and exotic species of wood are sold in 'random lengths and widths ' ( not dimentioned ) and are planed and straight lined ripped to the customers specs. When you buy hardwood you buy the board 'as is' and pay for it by the board ft. which is essentially 144 sq. inches derived from a square foot of wood at 1" thick. Then you pay extra to plane one or both sides and more for a straight line rip. Say for instance, you need a board 12" X 16" at 1 " thick. You may have to buy the board that they have available which may be 16" wide and 85" long. This would cost you 16" X 85" X 1" then divide that by 144 and you get 9.5 Board ft at whatever price a board foot of that species goes for. Tony B
Most hardwoods and exotic species of wood are sold in 'random lengths and widths ' ( not dimentioned ) and are planed and straight lined ripped to the customers specs. When you buy hardwood you buy the board 'as is' and pay for it by the board ft. which is essentially 144 sq. inches derived from a square foot of wood at 1" thick. Then you pay extra to plane one or both sides and more for a straight line rip. Say for instance, you need a board 12" X 16" at 1 " thick. You may have to buy the board that they have available which may be 16" wide and 85" long. This would cost you 16" X 85" X 1" then divide that by 144 and you get 9.5 Board ft at whatever price a board foot of that species goes for. Tony B
In your neck of the woods the bast choice of
local lumber species would be Sassafras. It is strong, durable, light in color, is abundant in the mid west and if you can find a rural sawmill they will make what you want for a fraction of the cost of imported lumber.
local lumber species would be Sassafras. It is strong, durable, light in color, is abundant in the mid west and if you can find a rural sawmill they will make what you want for a fraction of the cost of imported lumber.
H&L is all cut to size.
Robert: The wood from H&L is all cut to size. They standard stuff is about 3/8" thick but can be any size that you want and the width would probably be around 2" or so. The key is going to be shipping costs. You may want to check with Hunter too. Many of their boats have wood in them and they may be able to cut you a good deal. Just be sure to check the shipping costs before you order anything.
Robert: The wood from H&L is all cut to size. They standard stuff is about 3/8" thick but can be any size that you want and the width would probably be around 2" or so. The key is going to be shipping costs. You may want to check with Hunter too. Many of their boats have wood in them and they may be able to cut you a good deal. Just be sure to check the shipping costs before you order anything.
Remember the weight
you are adding. Pine, cedar, fir all lighter. Generally those lighter weight woods are more stable, once properly dried. Domestic hardwoods do not fare well in contact w/moisture. We sell 1x4 VG Fir beaded ceiling boards (same as wainscot) for 0.85/lf at my store, a few phone calls would likely find it near you. Fir is not very rot resistant but that should not be an issue inside the saloon. You can often find a thinner Southern Yellow Pine wainscot, but SYP is not so stable.
you are adding. Pine, cedar, fir all lighter. Generally those lighter weight woods are more stable, once properly dried. Domestic hardwoods do not fare well in contact w/moisture. We sell 1x4 VG Fir beaded ceiling boards (same as wainscot) for 0.85/lf at my store, a few phone calls would likely find it near you. Fir is not very rot resistant but that should not be an issue inside the saloon. You can often find a thinner Southern Yellow Pine wainscot, but SYP is not so stable.
A weighty issue. Generally wood ranges from
about 20 pounds per cubic foot to more than 45 pounds per cubic foot fot the very hard and heavy species. I have to disagree with Shorty concerning the stability of domestic hard woods The wood handbook published by the Forestry Department of the USDA list the stability of all domestic lumber . Some is stable enough to be used a gun stocks for match grade rifles and some like sweet gum will wander around for years. But they wouldn't use domestic hard wood for floors and millwork if it was not stable.
about 20 pounds per cubic foot to more than 45 pounds per cubic foot fot the very hard and heavy species. I have to disagree with Shorty concerning the stability of domestic hard woods The wood handbook published by the Forestry Department of the USDA list the stability of all domestic lumber . Some is stable enough to be used a gun stocks for match grade rifles and some like sweet gum will wander around for years. But they wouldn't use domestic hard wood for floors and millwork if it was not stable.
Related to appearance
The comment about domestic hardwoods was largely related to appearance. If you get water/moisture under the finish, oak & cherry will turn black. This from our experience mfg hardwood doors. Domestic hardwoods do not weather well. Cherry is pretty stable, maple is not. Hardwoods in a house is a very different application than a boat. If you go from a humid summer to a dry winter, like St Louis or NE, they can move quite a bit.
The comment about domestic hardwoods was largely related to appearance. If you get water/moisture under the finish, oak & cherry will turn black. This from our experience mfg hardwood doors. Domestic hardwoods do not weather well. Cherry is pretty stable, maple is not. Hardwoods in a house is a very different application than a boat. If you go from a humid summer to a dry winter, like St Louis or NE, they can move quite a bit.
Robert, try local
shops that carry woodworking equipment. We have at least two here in Peoria. Woodcraft is a national chain. Woodworkers Shop I think is local. Both carry many types of wood - from common cherry,oak, maple etc. to the exotics. I bought of lot of teak at Woodcraft. I found both listed under Woodworking equip. & Supls. in the yellow pages. Good luck, Jerry Ericson 25
shops that carry woodworking equipment. We have at least two here in Peoria. Woodcraft is a national chain. Woodworkers Shop I think is local. Both carry many types of wood - from common cherry,oak, maple etc. to the exotics. I bought of lot of teak at Woodcraft. I found both listed under Woodworking equip. & Supls. in the yellow pages. Good luck, Jerry Ericson 25
Sassafras wood is light in color.
Ross is right on. I made a spinnaker pole using Sassafras because it is strong, long grain and lighter in weight than oak.. It is stable in a moist environment. Good wood to work with and takes a stain well. I bought a 2 1/4" thick rough sawn X 10" wide X 8'6" board for about $22.00 at KECRAFT in Toledo Oh "The Candy Store For Woodworkers". Here is their web site //www.kencraftcompany.com/about.htm You could have a board milled and cut there or do it yourself. 2" strips say 1/4" finished lay ed horizontal would be stunning" The wood is relative inexpensive too.. You may leave it natural and enjoy the aroma.
Ross is right on. I made a spinnaker pole using Sassafras because it is strong, long grain and lighter in weight than oak.. It is stable in a moist environment. Good wood to work with and takes a stain well. I bought a 2 1/4" thick rough sawn X 10" wide X 8'6" board for about $22.00 at KECRAFT in Toledo Oh "The Candy Store For Woodworkers". Here is their web site //www.kencraftcompany.com/about.htm You could have a board milled and cut there or do it yourself. 2" strips say 1/4" finished lay ed horizontal would be stunning" The wood is relative inexpensive too.. You may leave it natural and enjoy the aroma.
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