I'm looking to get a new boat -- been looking at the Hunter 212 and I'm wondering what's its competition? I need a boat that isn't too heavy, say 1800 lbs. max, no more than about an 8 ft. beam (I got a narrow driveway) and ideally something brand new. I'm going to check out the Catalina 22 Capri but is there something else out there in this market segment?
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Justin - O'day Owners' Web
There are others . . .
but you've hit on two of the most popular. There are boats available from Nimble boats, Compac, and several other builders but they're rarer and more expensive. Does it have to be new? There are more options if you're looking at pre-owned stuff. Justin - O'day Owners' Web
but you've hit on two of the most popular. There are boats available from Nimble boats, Compac, and several other builders but they're rarer and more expensive. Does it have to be new? There are more options if you're looking at pre-owned stuff. Justin - O'day Owners' Web
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tom b
8 ft. beam.. what about trailer width...
i have the same problem.. no width in the driveway, thanks to the neighbor...i gotit back there but whew. it was close. my boat is a catalina22 and the trailer is the orininal one the boat came with.. . sooo dont forget to measure those outside measurements on the trailer...good luck in whatever u buy...
i have the same problem.. no width in the driveway, thanks to the neighbor...i gotit back there but whew. it was close. my boat is a catalina22 and the trailer is the orininal one the boat came with.. . sooo dont forget to measure those outside measurements on the trailer...good luck in whatever u buy...
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Tom Lee
New huh... what about...
Precison and Montgomery. Both have excellent reputations. IMHO, wouldn't turn my back on a used boat. Savings could amount to several 1,000's of dollars and thats alot of money to add all the expensive little goodies with. Whatever, have fun
Precison and Montgomery. Both have excellent reputations. IMHO, wouldn't turn my back on a used boat. Savings could amount to several 1,000's of dollars and thats alot of money to add all the expensive little goodies with. Whatever, have fun
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Doug ... LaMirada Ca.
Easy to splash
Have you checked out WWPotters? .. Fits right into your weight criteria, made locally in Inglewood, Ca. ...... http://www.wwpotter.com
Have you checked out WWPotters? .. Fits right into your weight criteria, made locally in Inglewood, Ca. ...... http://www.wwpotter.com
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Doug
Potter 19
I have looked at the Potter 19 and it does seem to meet my criteria. I'm a little worried about the performance, though. The couple of reviews I read say that it doesn't sail to weather too well. I'm also looking at the Rhodes 22 but am having a hard time finding specs for it.
I have looked at the Potter 19 and it does seem to meet my criteria. I'm a little worried about the performance, though. The couple of reviews I read say that it doesn't sail to weather too well. I'm also looking at the Rhodes 22 but am having a hard time finding specs for it.
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MArk
Rhodes too heavy
Doug, Rhodes 22 has its own web site (related link). The specs list the displacement as 2,900 Lbs. A Precision or O'Day would be more in the weight range you're looking for. Happy sails *_/), MArk
Doug, Rhodes 22 has its own web site (related link). The specs list the displacement as 2,900 Lbs. A Precision or O'Day would be more in the weight range you're looking for. Happy sails *_/), MArk
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MArk
Boat of the year
Doug, If you're really looking for a "daysailor" (related link)... Their "over-night-sailor" (P-21) sails pretty good too and is in your weight range but a little wide at 8'-3". See Precision reviews here: http://www.precisionowners.com/models.htm MArk
Doug, If you're really looking for a "daysailor" (related link)... Their "over-night-sailor" (P-21) sails pretty good too and is in your weight range but a little wide at 8'-3". See Precision reviews here: http://www.precisionowners.com/models.htm MArk
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Doug
Hunter 216
The Hunter 216 seems to fit all my criteria plus its got performance, but I wonder how much cabin space there is -- enough for an overnighter?
The Hunter 216 seems to fit all my criteria plus its got performance, but I wonder how much cabin space there is -- enough for an overnighter?
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Clyde
If you're not claustrophobic.
The Hunter 216 is a daysailor with a "Cuddy" cabin to store equipment. It looks like it has no portholes or ventilation hatches other than the Cuddy cabin main hatch. Hunter does say on the description page on the 216 that the Cuddy cabin "...can handle a portable head and a V-berth with storage." You could sleep in there if you left the main Cuddy cabin hatch open and you weren't claustrophobic. It looks like Hunter has updated their website. They do not list the Hunter 212 anymore on their website, I guess the 216 has replaced the 212. Fair Winds, Clyde
The Hunter 216 is a daysailor with a "Cuddy" cabin to store equipment. It looks like it has no portholes or ventilation hatches other than the Cuddy cabin main hatch. Hunter does say on the description page on the 216 that the Cuddy cabin "...can handle a portable head and a V-berth with storage." You could sleep in there if you left the main Cuddy cabin hatch open and you weren't claustrophobic. It looks like Hunter has updated their website. They do not list the Hunter 212 anymore on their website, I guess the 216 has replaced the 212. Fair Winds, Clyde
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MArk
Roomy and light
Doug, If you want to save a lot of money and get a whole lotta boat, check out the late 1980s MacGregor 26D (related link). The plan and daggerboard are almost identical to MacGregor's new 26M. Since it's water ballasted, it's light enough (2200 Lbs with trailer!). The beam is only 7'-10". It has a pop-top for extra headroom when needed that can be lowered for serious sailing. There's one for sale in Huntington Beach, CA for only $6K: http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/6/0/43781760.htm Happy hunting *_/), MArk
Doug, If you want to save a lot of money and get a whole lotta boat, check out the late 1980s MacGregor 26D (related link). The plan and daggerboard are almost identical to MacGregor's new 26M. Since it's water ballasted, it's light enough (2200 Lbs with trailer!). The beam is only 7'-10". It has a pop-top for extra headroom when needed that can be lowered for serious sailing. There's one for sale in Huntington Beach, CA for only $6K: http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/6/0/43781760.htm Happy hunting *_/), MArk
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Doug
more possibilities
I've also stumbled across the Cape Cutter 19 and the Seaward Fox 19 while looking at stuff on the net. Anyone got an opinion on either of these?
I've also stumbled across the Cape Cutter 19 and the Seaward Fox 19 while looking at stuff on the net. Anyone got an opinion on either of these?
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Clyde
There are always options
The "Cape Cutter 19" is made in the United Kingdom. On their web site, they didn't list a US distributor for their sailboats. You would have to have it imported into the US and pay customs on it. You also probably would have a difficult time getting any kind of warranty work on your sailboat. The "Seaward Fox" is made in the US. They have an owners web site on the trailer sailor web site. You could post there and get responses back from Seaward Fox owners. The Fox is the smallest sailboat that the Hake Yacht company makes. While surfing the net I found a Seaward Fox owner's web site, its pretty good, he gives his review on the Fox. Another sailboat that might meet your size and weight requirement is the Com-Pac "Suncat". The Suncat has a beam of 7'3" and a displacement of 1,500 lb. empty. The Suncat is a cat rigged sailboat. A cat rigged sailboat doesn't heel as much as a sloop rigged sailboat, but it also doesn't point as well upwind. The mainmast on a cat boat is located much more forward than on a sloop rigged sailboat, you have a lot more room in the cabin than a sloop rigged sailboat. The downside to a cat boat is that it doesn't point well, it's slower than a similar size sloop rigged sailboat and it's really slow in light winds. If you like a leisurely sail with the family, don't like heeling very much and you are not into racing, than you might want to check out the Cat boats. You might think about getting a wider beam sailboat like the Hunter 240, 8'3" with a displacement of 2300 lb. empty and either finding a slip or dry storage for it instead of parking it in your narrow driveway. For dry storage, you would only need to pull the boat a short distance to launch it at the boat ramp. Com-Pac web site on the Suncat: http://www.com-pacyachts.com/com-pacsuncat.html Hake Yachts: http://www.seawardyachts.com/ Trailer sailor seaward forum: http://www.trailersailor.com/forums/seaward/ Seaward Fox Owner: http://www.geocities.com/tmarks11/ Fair Winds. Clyde
The "Cape Cutter 19" is made in the United Kingdom. On their web site, they didn't list a US distributor for their sailboats. You would have to have it imported into the US and pay customs on it. You also probably would have a difficult time getting any kind of warranty work on your sailboat. The "Seaward Fox" is made in the US. They have an owners web site on the trailer sailor web site. You could post there and get responses back from Seaward Fox owners. The Fox is the smallest sailboat that the Hake Yacht company makes. While surfing the net I found a Seaward Fox owner's web site, its pretty good, he gives his review on the Fox. Another sailboat that might meet your size and weight requirement is the Com-Pac "Suncat". The Suncat has a beam of 7'3" and a displacement of 1,500 lb. empty. The Suncat is a cat rigged sailboat. A cat rigged sailboat doesn't heel as much as a sloop rigged sailboat, but it also doesn't point as well upwind. The mainmast on a cat boat is located much more forward than on a sloop rigged sailboat, you have a lot more room in the cabin than a sloop rigged sailboat. The downside to a cat boat is that it doesn't point well, it's slower than a similar size sloop rigged sailboat and it's really slow in light winds. If you like a leisurely sail with the family, don't like heeling very much and you are not into racing, than you might want to check out the Cat boats. You might think about getting a wider beam sailboat like the Hunter 240, 8'3" with a displacement of 2300 lb. empty and either finding a slip or dry storage for it instead of parking it in your narrow driveway. For dry storage, you would only need to pull the boat a short distance to launch it at the boat ramp. Com-Pac web site on the Suncat: http://www.com-pacyachts.com/com-pacsuncat.html Hake Yachts: http://www.seawardyachts.com/ Trailer sailor seaward forum: http://www.trailersailor.com/forums/seaward/ Seaward Fox Owner: http://www.geocities.com/tmarks11/ Fair Winds. Clyde
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Tom Lee
Thoughts on Boat evaluation
Some basic questions I asked myself (before and after) 1.) Will this boat be used as a trailer sailor or do you see a slip or mooring in the future? The answer to this question will make a big difference in the amount of comfort and performance you can expect. If a trailer sailor is intended, things such as overall size, type of keel, typical launch ramps in the area, ease the of stepping and unstepping the mast etc all come into play.If a slip or mooring is in the plan you could select a boat with a keel arrangement and sail plan (and rigging) to make it a better performer. 2.) Will you be doing a fair amount of singlehanding? Once again, size, ease of making sail, landing the boat and stepping the mast. 3.) On keels, is the average ramp steep or shallow, do you want to be able to sail the boat right up on the beach?? Answer here will guide you in in determing the best keel arrangement (Combinaion weighted keel with swingboard vs wing keel vs centerboard) 4.) Are you and your crew comfortable with a boat that sails optimally at a 15% or more heel or would a boat that sails more upright make the crew happier? In my experience the Precision's are good performers and great boats but are definetely more tender than the Seaward Fox or the cat boats from Compac. Just some food for thought, have fun
Some basic questions I asked myself (before and after) 1.) Will this boat be used as a trailer sailor or do you see a slip or mooring in the future? The answer to this question will make a big difference in the amount of comfort and performance you can expect. If a trailer sailor is intended, things such as overall size, type of keel, typical launch ramps in the area, ease the of stepping and unstepping the mast etc all come into play.If a slip or mooring is in the plan you could select a boat with a keel arrangement and sail plan (and rigging) to make it a better performer. 2.) Will you be doing a fair amount of singlehanding? Once again, size, ease of making sail, landing the boat and stepping the mast. 3.) On keels, is the average ramp steep or shallow, do you want to be able to sail the boat right up on the beach?? Answer here will guide you in in determing the best keel arrangement (Combinaion weighted keel with swingboard vs wing keel vs centerboard) 4.) Are you and your crew comfortable with a boat that sails optimally at a 15% or more heel or would a boat that sails more upright make the crew happier? In my experience the Precision's are good performers and great boats but are definetely more tender than the Seaward Fox or the cat boats from Compac. Just some food for thought, have fun
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tom b cat22
more of my two cents worth
i just purchased a cat-22 recently, and it does have sleeping area for four people, maybe five,and a porti potty setup, an area with a table, that will go down for sleeping arrangements, the top raises up for standing room, although u can really only use it while anchored. i believe the total weight, boat and trailer is around 2800lbs. havent sailed her yet as i am still doing some work on her, but it won't be long now..remember, if ur boat is 8ft wide.. how wide is that trailer..i too have narrow driveway. less than an inch to play with to get it in the backyard.. whew...good luck
i just purchased a cat-22 recently, and it does have sleeping area for four people, maybe five,and a porti potty setup, an area with a table, that will go down for sleeping arrangements, the top raises up for standing room, although u can really only use it while anchored. i believe the total weight, boat and trailer is around 2800lbs. havent sailed her yet as i am still doing some work on her, but it won't be long now..remember, if ur boat is 8ft wide.. how wide is that trailer..i too have narrow driveway. less than an inch to play with to get it in the backyard.. whew...good luck
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