Looking for a 50s/60s/70s sail boat to feature in a fashion photoshoot..

TomY

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Jun 22, 2004
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@TomY there has always been something about wooden hulled boats that is just different. I'm not talking about beauty, that of course is in the eyes of the beholder. But rather the way they go through the water. I don't know how to describe it, they just feel differently going through the water than boats made from any other materials. They somehow seem to glide better, or feel more "in-tune" with the water. I've no idea how to explain it, i can just feel it when sailing in a wooden boat...

Do you know what I'm saying? Perhaps have another way to express it?

dj
Interesting you say that. As you're probably aware, the Hinckley Pilot is a fiberglass sailboat but the design was already old when it was cast in the 'new' materials, FRP.

The design does sit nicely in the water. You could say this is a 50's design that still endures today. That's classic.
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dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Interesting you say that. As you're probably aware, the Hinckley Pilot is a fiberglass sailboat but the design was already old when it was cast in the 'new' materials, FRP.

The design does sit nicely in the water. You could say this is a 50's design that still endures today. That's classic.
I don't know anything about that specific boat. I was not aware it was a fiberglass hull. The look was certainly wooden hull shaped, as you point out, and that is what got me thinking about it. But I've sailed a number of wooden boats and that always has been what I've felt.

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@TomY there has always been something about wooden hulled boats that is just different. I'm not talking about beauty, that of course is in the eyes of the beholder. But rather the way they go through the water. I don't know how to describe it, they just feel differently going through the water than boats made from any other materials. They somehow seem to glide better, or feel more "in-tune" with the water. I've no idea how to explain it, i can just feel it when sailing in a wooden boat...

Do you know what I'm saying? Perhaps have another way to express it?

dj
Maybe because wood actually floats and it's buoyant? Literally filled with air...
 
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Maybe because wood actually floats and it's buoyant? Literally filled with air...
I don't know. Not even sure I can properly describe it...

But as a FYI, I've been on boats where the hull is made primarily from foam and the same sensation did not exist.

There is a, perhaps, quiet elegance to the way a wooden boat goes through the water that I've always found subtly different from all other hull materials.

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TomY

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Jun 22, 2004
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I don't know. Not even sure I can properly describe it...

But as a FYI, I've been on boats where the hull is made primarily from foam and the same sensation did not exist.

There is a, perhaps, quiet elegance to the way a wooden boat goes through the water that I've always found subtly different from all other hull materials.

dj
It could be that what you feel is more hull in the water, at least in keelboats, which is typical of older designs.

'Higher wetted surface area'. This means more of the hull is going through the water.

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Never designs have less wetted area so as to be less slow. They consequently sail more on the surface. Some may even plane in the right conditions.

No doubt, this is a different ride, but these two examples are both wooden boats.

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It could be that what you feel is more hull in the water, at least in keelboats, which is typical of older designs.

'Higher wetted surface area'. This means more of the hull is going through the water.

Never designs have less wetted area so as to be less slow. They consequently sail more on the surface. Some may even plane in the right conditions.

No doubt, this is a different ride, but these two examples are both wooden boats.
@TomY You bring up a good point about design. However, I first noticed this canoeing and the hull designs were all identical.

But it does give me pause about the material being the specific cause, and think about perhaps it is the specific construction differences that are needed due to the use of wood as the hull material. I'm thinking about the Viking long boats and how it was their method of construction allowing great flexibility in the hull that gave them such an amazing ocean going capability for such small craft.

Maybe it's the methods required to build a wooden hull more so than the fact they are made from wood that makes this difference. Now that would be a very difficult differentiation to make. Although to be sure, I'd love the opportunity to sail on a bunch of wooden hull and identically designed hulls from other materials just to see if such a distinction could be made... Maybe we need to have a "summer of sailing" off the Maine coast with lots of friends on different boats? ;)

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May 25, 2012
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
a wood boat is put together with screws and bolts. that second picture is an epoxy boat with some wood in it. to call it a wood boat wood be fudging the facts. that ain't a wood boat. that is a composite boat. totally different animal. totally different feel going through the water.

a wood boat had very different design constraints than an epoxy, or composite boats. with thousands of feet of seams their hulls worked. moved. totally different animal.

are they claiming boat number 2 as a "wood" boat? those marketing boys. you can't trust any of them. :stir:
 
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
summer coasting in maine prolly would not teach you much about the differences.

winter deliveries from maine to antiqua wood teach you a thing or two.

the flexing, the moving to the pressures, the ability to hold together, stay afloat.
 
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summer coasting in maine prolly would not teach you much about the differences.

winter deliveries from maine to antiqua wood teach you a thing or two.

the flexing, the moving to the pressures, the ability to hold together, stay afloat.
If you are thinking the wooden boat is the best for handling difficult sea conditions, I'll respectfully disagree. Give me a well made steel boat for that sailing requirement.

dj
 

TomY

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Jun 22, 2004
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Alden 38' Challenger yawl Rockport Harbor
a wood boat is put together with screws and bolts. that second picture is an epoxy boat with some wood in it. to call it a wood boat wood be fudging the facts. that ain't a wood boat. that is a composite boat. totally different animal. totally different feel going through the water.

a wood boat had very different design constraints than an epoxy, or composite boats. with thousands of feet of seams their hulls worked. moved. totally different animal.

are they claiming boat number 2 as a "wood" boat? those marketing boys. you can't trust any of them. :stir:
I don't disagree, Jon. It is composite unlike plank on frame. But the industry up here considers all of them wooden boats. I think it's fair because composite boats are built on frames, usually still have some frames, piece by piece and are mostly wood.

The best test are the wooden boat races. They can all race, plank on frame, composite wood, in different classes. Our boats will never be allowed in a wooden boat race.

How much fun would it be to hear people like me say my fiberglass hull is 61 years old and hasn't needed any repairs in that time, at a wooden boat race? :)
 
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How much fun would it be to hear people like me say my fiberglass hull is 61 years old and hasn't needed any repairs in that time, at a wooden boat race? :)
That right there is the reason I own a fiberglass hull boat!

I question if that conversation could be had at a traditional wooden boat race, although the modern composite construction technique with wood/epoxy is a different story. That's a wonderful marriage of old and new in my opinion. I'm rather surprised that both are classified as wooden boats...

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May 25, 2012
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
If you are thinking the wooden boat is the best for handling difficult sea conditions, I'll respectfully disagree. Give me a well made steel boat for that sailing requirement.

dj
no, not that at all. i was implying that in rough weather one would learn the big differences of a wood on frame, screwed together, 100yards of seams hull going through the water.

i grew up on wood boats. drove them hard on lake erie. known for it's steep choppy waves. those boat worked and flexed hard.

i have replaced planks, frames, sister frames, butt blocks. used oakem. i was trained by my father. canvas deck replacement. varnishing. woods. paints,
dad built his first boat when he was 18. he would then buy old woodies and rebuild them to top shape. because of my help and interest he would let me take his 38' woody out with my friends when i was 14. i was 21 when he bought aeolus out in conn. he then had me bring it home to ohio for him.
my great great grandfather built wooden ships up in sturge, on the same property we still own. his son, my great grandfather, got his commercial captain's papers at the age of 17. sailing his father's cargo ships around the great lakes.

later on, i would dump stone from the ships, from the river up in saginaw, or was it bay city, next to the gougeon marine yard. i would visit them allot back then. learned a thing or two. nice guys. happy to share what they were up to.
 
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TomY

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Jun 22, 2004
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Alden 38' Challenger yawl Rockport Harbor
would i want a plank on frame vessel today? no way :cool:
After many years of familiarity with them, I would buy one today. But the caveats would be steep. I'd hire trusted experts that I know for a thorough inspection survey. This alone would be costly as it would require some dismantling of the boat to inspect it.

Only after these trusted experts assured me that I would not be the owner at a future spring launch when the bilge pumps won't shut down after several days.

That event is followed by the boatyard grim reaper (usually the poor yard owner), wearing that hang-dog look to report, "She's tired,..."

And back in the shed she goes, often for the entire season.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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I read all the responses. There is a request for photos of sailboats from a non sailor from a different country to be used for advertising elsewhere. Anyone simply can click on sailboat photos on the search engine and get a multitude of different sailboat pictures. Be careful sharing personal information to anyone you do not know
 
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