Looking at my first boat.

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Jan 26, 2006
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Schock Wavelength 24 Lake Murray, SC
I discovered the main shortcoming of outboard powered sailboats during a recent month with my Catalina 250 in Charleston, SC. When you get into significant waves and wind the propeller get intermittently lifted out of the water due to "hobby horsing", i.e. fore and aft rocking. That cuts the average thrust to the point where 10 hp may not even hold position going into the wind. (In a situation where you are being blown toward a lee shore anchoring may be your best choice.) Water ballast boats are less prone to "hobby horsing" than fixed keel equivalents due to increased angular momentum. But water ballast boats tend to be tender, i.e. more prone to lean in a wind, which may upset your passengers and cause rounding up (unwanted turning into the wind). I wouldn't go larger than a Catalina 22 unless I could park it on its trailer near the boat ramp with the mast up or keep it docked. Look around at boats in use in your sailing area. If you don't see three or four of brand X model Y then it may not be suitable for the relatively windy conditions that are prevalent on the coast. I owned a MacGregor 26-D water ballast and decided it was not suitable for even windy (over 12 mph) lake conditions.

If day sailing is your primary interest then consider a faster moving boat like a Flying Scot, Santana 20 (PHRF 225), and Capri 22 (PHRF 204 to 210). As compared to the slower Catalina 25 (PHRF 222 to 234) or Catalina 22 (PHRF 270). The PHRF number is the seconds per mile deducted from a boat's travel time to make them "equivalent". A J-24 with a PHRF of 168 is an exciting ride for under $7000 including a trailer. It is best stored with the mast up on a trailer.

The Charleston Offshore Racing Association has a 30 foot minimum to participate in their offshore races. I suspect that when there is enough wind for good sailing then the waves are getting too large for under 30 foot sailboats.
 
May 25, 2011
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MacGregor 25 Palm Beach Area
Oh, I got one!

So, I finally setteled on the MacGregor 25, and went and picked it up this weekend!

Yay... now the work begins...
 
May 12, 2010
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Macgregor 25 Southern Maryland
So, I finally setteled on the MacGregor 25, and went and picked it up this weekend!

Yay... now the work begins...
Welcome to the Club. So far, the Mac 25 has been a good boat for us.
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
Time for my 2c

Which includes over 50 years of experience Regarding a Catalina 22. Read the manuel
for older boats. it says not recommended for salt water. A lot of people ignore this. Up to you
About McGregor`s Many people sail them and like them They come with big outboard motors
they are narrow of beam and short on sail area Slow and tender Their are many boats out
there. Look before u leap
 
Mar 19, 2011
225
Catalina C25 Eagle Mountain Lake
Congrats on the new boat! Have fun and get out there.....

bffatcat - nice timing.:doh:
 
Apr 19, 1999
1,670
Pearson Wanderer Titusville, Florida
IMO, the Catalina 22 is an EXCELLENT starter boat. It's small enough to respond well to wind, sail trim and crew eight but big enough to be comfortable under way. Once you get the hang of it, a C-22 can be rigged and be on the water in 20 minutes. The swing keel makes it easy to get on and off the trailer. If you sail singlehanded, search the forum archives for a mast-raising system I developed for my Hunter 23 which was a wonderful boat but a PAIN to rig thanks to the tall mast and swept-back spreaders.

C-22 prices range substantially, so you should be able to find one that fits your budget. Parts (especially sails) are readily available and affordable. C-22's generally keep their value so when you decide to get rid of the boat (either to move up or quit sailing) you should be able to sell it for about what you paid for it.

The C-22 will be fine in the ocean as long as you don't go out in questionable weather, keep the keel down, watch the weather and don't sail so far that you can't get back to port in a hurry if you need to. Make sure you know the tide times. Trying to get into an inlet on the east coast of Florida against an outgoing tide with a strong, late-afternoon seabreeze is no fun in any sailboat, much less one that is outboard-powered. The going will be slow and the ride can be rough. Be sure your nav lights work in case you don't get in before nightfall.

Peter
H23 "Raven"
Pearson Wanderer 30
 
Jun 16, 2010
495
In search of my next boat Palm Harbor, FL
I would go with a C22 or H22 as your first step into a "bigger" boat. Like many others I went from a sunfish to a Hobie, to my H22. I had the $ to go for something much larger... in the 27 foot range, but moving to a "real" boat from the sunfish/Hobie/day sailor, also brings more repairs, and everything costs more as it gets bigger. Which can be a downer. If you are just wanting to get your toe wet (forgive the pun) stick to something in 22' range. As your skills grow, and you find out how much you like or dislike it, you will get the two-foot-itis. We all do.

Stepping the mast isnt that big of a deal. It just takes practice. If you want to get REALLY good at stepping a mast, go down to the beach and help the beach cat crowd do theirs for a couple weekends. A 18' Hobie/Nacra mast is about the same length as a mast on a C22 or H22. There are also tons of youtube videos on doing it, and I am sure that there are some 22' owners on your coast that would be glad to help you out the first time, and so some of their tricks.

Yes you can sail a 22' on your side FL. You just have bigger seas. On the Gulf side it tends to be a bit calmer. Because of where you are sailing I would go with the C22, as the ballast is in the keel, which will make the weight lower in the water. The H22 has the ballast in the sole of the cabin, making it a bit more tender. Overall the performance between the two is about the same though. As pointed out above, pay close attention to keel winch and condition. There are always rumors of how the winch mechanism on the Catalina 22 and 25s break causing the keel to swing down cracking the hull. I say rumors, cause the stories are always "a friend of a friend" type. I have seen first hand where the winch breaks or freezes and the keel is stuck down. Not a good thing on the shallow Gulf side.

Either way you go, budget about up to about 25% of what you have to spend on repairs, or add ons, even before you put it in the water the first time.

Enjoy

Another thought is joining a sailing club. We have one around here that charges $200/mo, and had 4 Catalina 27's in the fleet. All you can sail (during daylight).
 
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