Line Around The Prop

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May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
How many of you have had the misfortune to wrap a line around your prop? I have done it twice. The first time I merely called a diver. After he removed the line I picked his brain as to how I could remove the line if I was in the middle of nowhere without going overboard. The second time it happened was at my dock in Long Beach, Ca and was so stupid that I'd rather say it was on someone elses boat instead of mine. I actually saw the line in the water a split second before putting the engine in gear but shifted anyway. This time I removed it myself using the tips the diver gave me.

I'll explain how I did it later but in the mean time, how have any of you mates removed the line without calling your diver or going overboard?? How did you do it??
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,702
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
In 1990 we were sailing down the coast and lost the asymmetrical sheet over the side stalling the engine as we doused the sail. It was so tight that I couldn't even turn the prop shaft backwards to try and unwind it. We sailed about an hour more to the Santa Cruz harbor where the harbormaster towed us in. There was a diver working nearby who retreived the line for us and wouldn't take anything for it. The water around here is too cold for me (57 deg at the summer peak).
 
Jan 4, 2006
283
West Coast
Lying to bow and stern anchors at Frenchy's Cove on the east side of Anacapa, wind from NNE (no shelter there unless wind is W), dragging into the little cove pushed by 3' swells.

As the sun is going down the afternoon breeze is still strong, and I notice the kedge rode is going slack: sure enough, we're dragging, so it's obvious we have to move on from this untenable lie. I have three green crew, so it's kind of a fire drill to fall back on the kedge, retrieve that, then motor up on the bow anchor, with a crewman riding the bucking bronco at the bow and a second crewman relaying shouted instructions from the cabin side at the shroud.

With all the commotion, I didn't notice that the genoa sheets were in the water. After retrieving the kedge, I shifted into Forward and made about two feet before the engine stalled. It would start up in neutral just fine, but stalled each time I shifted into Forward. That's when I saw the taut genoa sheet leading over the rail.

Well, we're dragging, and I figure we have about 20 minutes until my keel is smashing shells, and there's a lee shore so close I can almost spit on dry sand. The boat is going to be a loss unless we get that shaft unwrapped.

I announce this to the crew, along with my intentions to go over the side, when my best friend, a surfer, says, "I'll do it." I fly down the companion and come back with a diving mask and a nice hunting knife I packed for emergencies.

He's over the side and gone in an instant, and I'm worried he won't be able to do much with the hull rising an falling almost 3 feet over each swell and coming down on his head each time. 30 long seconds later he comes up, grabs onto the bottom rung of the stern ladder, and says, "I got some of it: it's pretty bad. Shift into neutral." He goes down again; I look at the approaching beach.

The next two times he surfaces, no one says anything: only the sound of two big breaths before he disappears again. I wonder if they'll get my name spelled right in the newspaper.

He pops up after the fourth trip to the shaft. "Got it!"

One crewman hauls in the sheet while the other helps my friend climb up the pitching stern ladder. I make sure the other genoa sheet in secured, and that the kedge rode is completely brought aboard, then start the engine, shift to Forward, push the Speed Control level forward, and feel the reassurance of thrust as the boat moves forward under power. I send the two dry crew to the bow: one to haul the rode, and one to keep it all on deck and put it to bed as we come up on the anchor. I'm relieved that I don't hear the cutless bearing growling or feel any vibration from a bent shaft.

The breeze has been freshening, so once the anchor releases, it takes 1/3 throttle just to hold station and keep the bow into the wind. It's a tight little cove, and there are submerged and exposed rocks as big as Volkswagens in several places. Dusk is done and it's full dark now as I open up the throttle to 3/4 and the 21 hp. Kubota converts diesel fuel into sea room.

As we move out into the Channel and heart rates subside, we throw on navigation & steaming lights, raise sail, secure gear, and consider the hand of Providence. No one wants another anchoring episode, and I don't want to head back north an hour and a half to Santa Cruz Island and try to poke into a strange anchorage in the dark with high winds and shot nerves, so we decide it's safer now to just sail through the night. I turn the bow south toward Long Beach and home.

I inspected the genoa sheet after sunrise, and though the sheath is chewed up moderately the core is barely touched, the damage is near the end and it never gets on the working side of the winch, so I decided to let it be, as a memento of the experience and of my learning curve as a new skipper.

I'll go into Frenchy's Cove again, but only when it's well-sheltered behind a W wind.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Speaking of lee shore -- off of Huntington Beach, Ca there a spot they call "the flats". It's where the incoming swells meet the outgoing swells and its shallow. It's a nasty place where the water is very confused. The catalina 25 was new to me as was sailing and I had no idea what I was wondering into. I had dropped the sails and was motoring back to Long Beach when the next thing I know I'm in it. The first thing that happens is the motor swamps and I can't get it started plus the shore is gettting closer by the minute. My first thought was where can I get a stick to scrape out my underware!!!

Just like ANCHOR DOWN, I thought hows this going to look on the front page of the Orange County Register. My wife, who really isn't a sailor, casually asks me why I don't just raise the sails and sail out of the mess. I was focused on starting the engine and the thought of raising sail never crossed my mind but that's exactly what I did.

Another lesson learned -- and never forgotten should a situation like that ever occur to me again.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
A lot of folks on the Chesapeake are starting to use a "hook knife": http://www.sailorssolutions.com/index.asp?page=ProductDetails&Item=CH01

Even with the blue crab population greatly diminished there's still quite a bit of 'crab floats' in the northern Ches. Bay that will 'getcha'. I was crewing in early spring this year in the 'bay' when we snagged a submerged 'pot'; of course spinnaker up and pulling like a mule ... took about 15-20 seconds for one of the crew to grab his hook knife, hang over transom (we held his ankles) to 'release' the 'pot'. We never really slowed down and lost only one boat-place.

As a result of my last trip to Maine, etc. this past summer .... I'm definitely ordering one!
 

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Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Backed over our dinghy painter while setting the anchor. We were drifting towards a lee shore but fortunately the anchor set and we had time to get the line untangled. Very fortunate and a huge lesson learned.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Sometimes, when the boat is new to you: tying up to the cans at Angel Island, got the stern line secured, missed the bow line, drifted back.
New boat July 1998, date December 1998, water temp always 57, air temp lower that day.

Didn't have snorkel gear, tried reverse, no go.

Tried the knife trick, no go.

Realized I just had to unwind the line off the prop shaft.

"Just" became a family joke for a number of years.

"Gee, Stu, if you'd JUST..."

Had many uses.

Good news, got it off, had warm water for a hot shower.

The brandy didn't hurt either, but I forget whether I had it before the dive or after the shower.

:eek:

Glad I "got it over with" while the boat was new to us...
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Friend of mine with an oldish Hunter 27 wrapped his genoa sheet around the prop not long ago, started the engine, and ....nearly twisted the strut off. Had to get towed in and hauled for repairs. He learned a $2,500 lesson in keeping the sheets aboard....
 
May 24, 2004
7,215
CC 30 South Florida
We hooked the line of a crab trap about 2 AM motor-sailing off Florida's West Coast. We set course for FT Myers where we figured we could find a diver. After dragging the whole trap for about an hour we were able to locate the line holding the trap and cut it. As we approached the Fort Myers entrance we realized the wind direction would not allow us to go in under sail so a call was placed to BOATUS to tow us in. After inquiring about our problem they indicated one of their boats had a certified diver aboard and that if we just anchor out they would send it to meet us. The guy was a retired Navy Salvage Diver and he jut doned some Scuba gear and jumped overboard with a knife in hand. A couple of seconds later we heard the loud thud of the shaft retracting and he came up with the line in hand. We inmediately checked the drive line and hull for any damage and everything was OK. The service call was around $300 but it was courtesy of BoatUS as we had the unlimited towing coverage. The lesson learned was to put a diving mask on the boat but most important to first of all call BOATUS.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Here's a couple of methods to try before going overboard. Actually, in some sailing situation going overboard may not even be an option. The most important thing is to keep your wits about you and to think through what you're about to do.

Option: Turn off the engine and shift to neutral and try pulling the line back by hand. NEVER USE THE WINCH as you could bend the shaft or strut thus making the situation worse.

Option: Reverse the prop by turning the prop shaft. It's necessary to know if you have a right or left hand prop so you're turning in the correct direction.

Let's say those two options didn't work and you're in a situation where you have to free the line or other problems are going to result like ending up on the beach or crashing into a breakwater.

Last Resort Option: Try reversing the prop using the engine. This is a LAST RESORT before sending someone overboard and must be done carefully. Start the engine in neutral and idle down to minimum RPM. Make sure the boat end of the line is loose. Cut the line if necessary as most likely it's history anyway. It can't be taut or worse things are going to happen. Have a gloved hand on the line and take up any slack. Then quickly shift in and out of reverse while pulling on the line. If it doesn't free the line the first time try it again. If it doesn't work the second time - that's it and you're out of simple options.

If all else fails and it's an option, SAIL the sucker home and deal with under the safety and security of your dock. So many sailors put heavy emphasis on their engines and then when they are without it they don't know what to do. Remember it's a sailboat first and a motor boat second!!
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Nodak7: Just saw your name pop up. How are you're sail trim sailing advertures coming along??
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Nodak7: Just saw your name pop up. How are you're sail trim sailing advertures coming along??
Don, I have just about completed reading your book. You are right it makes a lot more sense now. Unfortunately the only sailing I am doing is in my dreams. She is up on the trailer waiting for us to come play with her next season. I did find a great sailing simulator though. Stentec Sail Simulator 5. Happily, I have experimented with sail trim on that and have put much of what I read in your book to the test.
 
Aug 23, 2009
361
Hunter 30 Middle River MD
So since we are in the telling of embarrassing stories mode my turn. We are on the way to Cape May, I was an even greener skipper then than I am now. My mentor and one of my oldest friends is aboard with his significant other, both of them have years more experience than I do.

After a day of beating to windward we're tired the Cape May Lighthouse is on the bow and we're getting close, its near 11 PM we've been out well over 15 hours so no one is at their best. John had pulled the anchor all those many hours ago when we left the anchorage, the anchor is hanging from the pulpit and since the road is wet he had left it on the deck to dry.

We been getting bounced pretty good as we are fighting the current and and a wind coming in from the sea. You all know where this is going don't you. As we near Cape May we decide we need the engine, so we fire it up. She steadies and we put her in gear and begin to take in the sails. The she stalls, bear in mind this is a very old never rebuilt YSB-12. Water in the fuel? We'd had that experience. While we are drifting I suggest lets drop the hook and figure out what's happened. I go forward and start to pull the road out of the anchor locker. Luckily just as I was about to let the anchor go I realized the road isn't running forward its running aft over the life lines. You got it we'd snagged the prop.

We're in a seaway, no anchor to drop, no engine and getting the sails up is going to take time as we can't go head to wind under control. I say to John lets start the engine if we can, in neutral it fires up, I say lets slow it way down and put it in reverse with him pulling on the line. Not perhaps in hind sight the smartest approach but some times dumb luck works the line comes off we put it in forward and we made port. We were less than a mile from the breakwater when we regained control.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Refer to Mlamper's story - sometime the LAST RESORT I referred to works but only try it TWICE. Believe me the third try won't be the charm!!
 
Sep 19, 2004
85
Hunter e36 Vancouver
I guess I was lucky compared to some of you guys.

We were outside Sydney Marina in Victoria ready to go in when they told us to stay out and wait as they had too many boats trying to dock at the time.

So we were circling outside the breakwater but the wind was blowing pretty good and the waves were starting to pick up. We had the bow line set for docking and brought back to the cockpit. The boat was pitching quite a bit from the building wave and that was likely what caused the bow line to slip off the lifelines and out of the cockpit.

I can't remember why I had to go down below deck for a while but I put the autopilot on after turning on to the wind and within a minute of getting below deck the engine stopped.

Since I had been in another boat with the line fauling the prop before, it did not take me long to figure this out.

I pulled on the bow line but it would budge so I started the engine on neutral and just touched it in reverse for a second while pulling on the line. It slacked a bit but stopped. So I touched it into forward gear and the line wrapped in a bit. Touched it in reverse and the line came off that time.

It may not have been that good for the clutch but it sure saved us. We were drifting towards the rocks on the breakwater which sure looked vicious. It did not even occured to us to drop the anchor which is what we would do next time.
 
Sep 19, 2004
85
Hunter e36 Vancouver
Hi Don,

Another thing that you may be interested in is that I just downloaded an iPad app called "wind tunnel". It simulates wind tunnel test of air flow around airfoils, cars etc. It will even let you draw your own device shape in the "wind tunnel" and see how the air flow around it dynamically.

It is not always easy to hand draw sail shape in it but it is very interesting to see how the air hits the leading edge and leave the trailing edge of the sail shape.

I often wondered about the main sail's tell tails' tendency to curl and now I can see it in these simulations.

If you have an iPhone or iPad, I would recommend it.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
We were in the middle of a distance race when we caught a lobster pot. Knotmeter went to zero pretty quickly. Dropped sails and stripped off taking my trusty knife overboard. Cleared the line from the shaft and prop got back aboard and dried quickly while sails were hoisted again and got back to racing. Total time lost was about 5 to 10 minutes, an eternity in race speak but nothing for a cruising skipper.
 
Sep 2, 2009
339
Hunter Vision-32 New Hamburg, NY
Be Very Careful if you have a shaft saver ....

I got a piece of line thoroughly wrapped around my prop while at a pump-out. Tried forward and reverse with the engine stalling in each direction. It was the last pump-out before being pulled for the season, so the marina pulled me out.

When they cut the line off the shaft, it released the built up torque in the shaft saver and they told me that the propeller then spun pretty hard. That could have been disaster for anyone unsuspectingly near the prop. BE CAREFUL!
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Backed over our dinghy painter while setting the anchor. We were drifting towards a lee shore but fortunately the anchor set and we had time to get the line untangled. Very fortunate and a huge lesson learned.
Just as an addendum to my story. I had no snorkel gear on board when this happened but (thank goodness) we were able to work most of the line off the prop by slowly reversing the motor. However, as soon as I had the gear I went down and took a look. There was still a piece of the line wrapped around the shaft. It was good that I took the time to check it out. I now carry a wetsuit, fins and mask on board at all times. Just in case!
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Oliverhg brings up an interesting point - THE ANCHOR. So many times we get wrapped up in the situation we're dealing with and while running around in a panic like a chicken with his head cut off and we completely forget about the devise hanging off the bow pulpit. Deploy the anchor, if you can, (if you're half way to Catalina Island in 30 to 50 fathom you need another plan). With the anchor set and the boat not going anywhere you can relax with a "tinney" and figure out your next step.

During the last hour of my "On The Water Seminar" we go over scenarios that can happen - backstay breaks, no steering ect, use of the anchor to secure the boat so you can deal with the situation CALMLY. I make each person repeat the answers two or 3 times and the reason for that is they have now committed it to memory and don't have to think about what to do should it happen. They know automatically what to do. Seconds count in a bad situation as opposed to standing there scratching your rear end and wondering what to do next as the damage escalates.
 
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