Lifelines

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,204
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Well, it looks like US Sailing will adopt the ISAF ban on high-tech rope lifelines next year. Sorry you racers and others who went that way. So, there will be a bonus for riggers coming up. Anyhow, it got me to thinking: how many documented fatalities have there been with coated steel lifelines anyway? I did some research and could find nothing. There are some second-hand reports of lifeline failures and a warning about inferior coated cable and a 1998 study pointing to pushpit failure in actual testing (contrasted to cable failure). So, does anyone have a measure of reliable documented failures? I'm suspicious this is just one of those "look what could happen" things that generates a life of its own.

This is sort of morbid curiosity since I buy that uncoated lifelines are easier to inspect and I have replaced two sections of line at gates where they are bent a lot and where I saw rust in a fracture of the coating in the middle of the gate. So, when it comes time for replacement, I'll go uncoated. Still, there are a bazillion older boats with uncoated original lifelines around (most?) and I'm not aware of failures first-hand.


"January 26, 2014 ISAF Bans Dyneema/Spectra lifelines
At the ISAF AGM in Palma, Majorca, Spain last November, the Oceanic and Offshore committee issued a ban on the use of HMPE (Dyneema/Spectra) lifelines in offshore races (Category 0, 1, 2, and 3) effective 1 January 2015. See http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2015AmendmentSheet12012015v2-%5B18222%5D.pdf
This ban is in place because of concerns over HMPE susceptibility to chafe and burn-through. It is hoped that these concerns will be resolved prior to the 2016-2017 edition of the ISAF Offshore Special Regulations. HMPE is still permitted for Category 4 events.
The US Sailing Safety at Sea Committee believes a 1 January 2015 effective date does not give sufficient lead time to US racers using HMPE to change materials. They have issued a US Sailing Prescription that changes the effective date to 1 January 2016."

PS to add: BTW, I am curious if the use of uncoated lifelines will foster more chafe. I know that, especially when poled out, my jib sheets do rub on the lifeline as does the downhaul on the pole. I don't think it's any big deal or cause for concern, but it seems obvious there will be some increase.And, of course, when the jib isn't skirted in, it might be laying on the upper lifeline.
 

JRacer

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Aug 9, 2011
1,398
Beneteau 310 Cheney KS (Wichita)
I just replaced all my 1992 OEM coated lifelines with uncoated. Saw rust marks on the coating on the old ones and figured it was time to replace. We've only had the boat thrre years so it was on the list of things to replace. Never considered the dyneema type. Didn't think they would last as long.
 

Squidd

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Sep 26, 2011
890
AMF Alcort Paceship PY26 Washburn Wi. Apostle Islands
Good thing I don't race my boat
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Many problems with coated lifelines are because they a 304 stainless. The coating hides alot of surface rust but, you never hear of a lifeline snapping in the middle, the rust failure points are in the swage fittings.

I went with 316 stainless uncoated. I have chafing covers only where my ginney lines make contact when locking them down at the dock.

I never purchase 304 stainless anything for my boat. Don't buy the cheap China fasteners, make sure it's 316 ss. If any fasteners show rust, it's 304, not 316 ss. The 304 grade has more carbon steel therefore the rust.

CR
 
Dec 29, 2009
149
Hunter 380 Little Creek, Virginia Beach, VA
I replaced my coated lifelines with uncoated 316SS this year. In the middle of one of the segments there was a split in the coating w/rust running out. The stainless inside the split was broken through at least half way. I'm w/captnron..use uncoated 316 and use the snap on wire covers where chafing might be an issue.
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
I am thinking that uncoated lines are the way to go. I am surprised that the manufactures haven't caught on to this yet.

Which method is more expensive, coated or not coated?
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
as far as coated and uncoated goes has anyone thought about the possibility of and electrical short happening and causing major harm to someone...and for that matter are you bonding your stanchions......
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Bad,

Waz up guy?

The 316 stainless by itself is more $$ but, well worth it. I'm in a salt water environment. Maybe in fresh water areas, this may not be as much of a problem. I'm not sure, but feel if exposed to environmental temp. & humidity, rust on 304 will occur.

CR
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Bad,

Waz up guy?

The 316 stainless by itself is more $$ but, well worth it. I'm in a salt water environment. Maybe in fresh water areas, this may not be as much of a problem. I'm not sure, but feel if exposed to environmental temp. & humidity, rust on 304 will occur.

CR
what size did you put on the uppers and the lowers capt ron
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Woods,

Waz up guy?

The rigging was per Catalina specs, 1/4" 1x9 for the uppers, fore & aft stays & 3/16" 1x9 for the lowers. I believe my life lines were 1/4" 1x9 but, all are 3/16" SS.

CR
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Woods, Waz up guy? The rigging was per Catalina specs, 1/4" 1x9 for the uppers, fore & aft stays & 3/16" 1x9 for the lowers. I believe my life lines were 1/4" 1x9 but, all are 3/16" SS. CR
the life lines are 3/16 you say 316 ss. Thanks
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Woods,

The lifelines may be 3/16" 1x9, it's been a few years so maybe not 1/4" 1x9 but, just go with the right size you have now.

One difference I noticed between 304 & 316 SS was that the 316 cable was smoother in feel so less abrasive.

A neighbor with a Morgan OI changed his some years ago & that's where I got the idea. Before that, I had the usual 304 coated lines.

CR
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Just as an afterthought,

Lifelines don't break as much as stanchions do.
In many production boats, the stanchion's "light" design as on my 1980 Catalina, always seem to break the welds at the base plate. The tubing & baseplate itself is way too thin & bends. the thru-bolting consists of just a washer & nut, with no backing plate. I've repaired several welds & replaced stanchions & made backing plates for all.

My definition of "Lifelines" is, if having to suddenly use them to KNOT fall overboard, I then refer to them as, "Lose you life-lines."

CR