LED Cabin Light Conversion

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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
LED "certification"

Maine Sail wrote: In short it is a gamble many are willing to take for the sake of saving a few bucks.

I recently opined about the use of LEDs inside cabins, noting that the minimal amount of energy they save may not be worth the cost. We use a trawler lamp, have lotsa incandescent, halogen and fluorescent lighting, but only use the powered lights for short periods of time, when doing the dishes after dinner, reading before bed and we usually hit the rack early. Others may stay up with lights blaring til all hours of the night. However, when compared to the total daily electrical load with a fridge, reasonable use of interior lighting is a small amount of the total daily energy budget. This would be for a 400 ah house bank with a fridge. For those with smaller 220 ah battery bank and no fridge, same thing. Lighting may be a lot, but a small portion of the house bank capacity.

Similarly, so is the energy required of navigational lights UNLESS the boats are sailing offshore, when it becomes a HUGE part of the daily energy budget.

See this for an energy budget with the three daily draws: daysail, overnight and ocean: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,3976.0.html Click on the pdf file on the first entry in the topic.

So given that, the "race" to include LED lights in nav fixtures is interesting, but I wonder how many folks actually use their nav lights for a real overnight sail which would "require" that drastic and helpful a reduction in energy loads which the LEDs do provide. [A few hours an evening for all our nav lights is not that big a draw. We also have a lamp oil anchor light, but I would replace the electric anchor light with an LED right away, we already "partially" did that with a Davis Mega light years ago.]

And, whether or not nav lights are a big portion of your energy budget, why even bother with Dr. LED after all the bad press?
 
Sep 8, 2009
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Island Packet 31 Cutter/Centerboard Federal Point Yacht Club, Carolina Beach, NC
I spoke with "KEY" representatives from the USCG, ABYC, and NMMA today. Here are the facts! Beginning November 1, 2003:

"The United States Coast Guard has promulgated mandatory requirements for the certification of navigation lights for uninspected commercial vessels and recreational vessels. This regulation requires third party certification of navigation lights installed on vessels constructed on or after November 1, 2003. See 33 CFR Parts 84 and 183, and 46 CFR Part 25."

All new boats being manufactured in the United States must have USCG certified navigation lights installed on them, if navigation lights are installed at all. The ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council) A-16 Electric Navigation Lights Standard applies. "This standard is a guide for the design, construction, performance, and installation of electric navigation lights."

The NMMA (National Marine Manufacturers Association) certifies that marine manufactures comply with the ABYC standards. UL (Underwriters Labratories, Inc.) also certifies navigation lights meet Title 33 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) standards.

Consumers can purchase and install navigation lights that "comply" with Title 33 CFR and be in compliance with USCG regulations. However, it is highly recommended that navigation lights be USCG certified.

In the past 15 years the ABYC has seen only one boating accident that involved navigation lights. It's entirely up to the boat owner to ensure the safety of their vessel, beyond federal and state regulations.

What does all this mean? It means that if your sailboat is involved in an accident questions may arise reguarding the equipment, i.e. navigation lights as to whether they are USCG certified or not, or if they meet Tiitle 33 CFR standards. One must consider the possibility of an accident occuring and the legal outfall from the accident.

If your sailboat is 20 years old chances are the navigation lights are not USCG certified. Let's look at an example that may correlate with this topic. In North Carolina seat belts are required if the passenger vehicle was made after 1967, or light trucks and vans made after 1971. Should we install and where seat belts in passenger vehicles, light trucks, and vans if they are not required to have seatbelts? Absolutely!

Should we replace all of our non-certified navigation lights with USCG certified navigation lights? I've said enough, it's time to go sailing! Fair weather!

David

PS The Hella LED All Around Anchor Light meets USCG requirements and is USCG certified!

Meets the requirements of IMO COLREG 72, USCG and RINA.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|65136|739053|760449&id=769978
 
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Feb 6, 1998
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PS The following LED All Around Anchor Light meets USCG requirements, but is not USCG certified!

Meets the requirements of IMO COLREG 72, USCG and RINA.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|65136|739053|760449&id=769978
David,

The entire Hella Marine line carries the USCG stamp of approval and they are USCG approved/certified as well a ABYC A-16 and NMMA as well a RINA. Builders like Beneteau, Catalina and Viking Yachts, to name a few, are now using the NaviLED lights from Hella on certain models. They could not do this and meet CFR 33 if the Hella's did not have the approvals/certifications.

As I said before you can not claim to meet the requirement unless you have passed the third party testing and met the standard. Of course this does not stop disputable companies from making bogus claims but Hella is one of the more reputable companies out there and they do have the approvals to back up their claims. USCG approval is the same as USCG certified.

The NaviLED's have the following approvals:

Approval Type = ABYC and NMMA
Approval Type = RINA (TA No. ELE69605CS)
Additional Approvals = USCG / IMO COL REG
 
Sep 8, 2009
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Island Packet 31 Cutter/Centerboard Federal Point Yacht Club, Carolina Beach, NC
Mainsail,

Defender needs to include in there advertizing that Hella LED All Around Anchor Lights are USCG certified. Thanks! I'll change the post! The $99.99 price is pretty good! Have a couple of Hella Compact Reading Lamps and a Hella Mini Jet Fan in the cabin. Hella makes great products. Fair weather!

David
 
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Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Word of caution

If you have festoon incandesant nav lights you can replace them with festoon LEDs but;
The angles that the light comes out of the bulb will not match the incancesant angles. The angles 0-120 port, 120-240 stern, and 240-360 starboard are mandated so others can tell which way you are going. if you have the angles wrong you could have no lightweak light in one direction or the other leaving you boat "blacked out" when viewed from a distance.
FWIW
 
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