I need to remove the rear deck section of my cockpit to work n the wheel steering in my backyard. To do this I need to raise the mast to get it off the crutch and leave it up for a few days. Do you think it's stable in the wind, being on the trailer, this way or should I develope a makeshift crutch during this process? I had the mast up the other day and a storm came through. The boat seemed to rock a bit, made me nervous. Thanks, Michael Stephens
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Alan
No problem with my h26
The boat sat that way in the marina for 1 1/2 years before I bought it and through this past winter the same way. alan
The boat sat that way in the marina for 1 1/2 years before I bought it and through this past winter the same way. alan
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Ray Bowles
My mast up as we speak.
I have had the mast up on my 95 H26 for a week now through a major wind storm. Block both the sides of your trailer at the rear most cross rail. Then you have 3 point support of the trailer and boat and nothing moves at all, anytime. Ray
I have had the mast up on my 95 H26 for a week now through a major wind storm. Block both the sides of your trailer at the rear most cross rail. Then you have 3 point support of the trailer and boat and nothing moves at all, anytime. Ray
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Brian
h23 ok, others ?
I used to keep my h23's up around xmas and hoist strings of lights up the top of the mast! went thru some real good windstorms with no trouble. Wouldn 't try this with my h240, now since the lead keel is nonexistent brian
I used to keep my h23's up around xmas and hoist strings of lights up the top of the mast! went thru some real good windstorms with no trouble. Wouldn 't try this with my h240, now since the lead keel is nonexistent brian
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Ray Bowles
Brian, My h26 is a water ballast.
With the boat firmly tied down at the front with the winch clip and the rear transom u-bolts strapped to the trailer rear corners and the rear trailer corners blocked to prevent trailer rocking the boat/mast does not move. Ray
With the boat firmly tied down at the front with the winch clip and the rear transom u-bolts strapped to the trailer rear corners and the rear trailer corners blocked to prevent trailer rocking the boat/mast does not move. Ray
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Bob Grogan
stays up
My h23 mast stay up year around. I keep my boat on the trailer about 50 yards from the boat ramp. I have never had any problem. There are about 10 trailer boat at my marina (including 2 j24's) that stay on their trailer with the mast up. Also, over the winter there were about 6 h26 / h260 h240 that were stored on their trailer with masts up. I saw no problem. Bob Grogan sv TWINKLE
My h23 mast stay up year around. I keep my boat on the trailer about 50 yards from the boat ramp. I have never had any problem. There are about 10 trailer boat at my marina (including 2 j24's) that stay on their trailer with the mast up. Also, over the winter there were about 6 h26 / h260 h240 that were stored on their trailer with masts up. I saw no problem. Bob Grogan sv TWINKLE
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Tim Sullivan, PE
Just a slight engineering and life issue
Well there is a slight engineering and life issue. Obviously that mast will experience side loads from the wind. These force loads will have to be supported by the shrouds and stays. These shrouds and stays, and all other fastening hardware will experience low cycle loads and high cycle loads. Ultimately these cyclic loads will work and fatigue your load carrying structure - the shrouds and stays. Do you want to cyclic load the shrouds and stays year round or just during the sailing season. It all depends on the design life for these shrouds and stays.
Well there is a slight engineering and life issue. Obviously that mast will experience side loads from the wind. These force loads will have to be supported by the shrouds and stays. These shrouds and stays, and all other fastening hardware will experience low cycle loads and high cycle loads. Ultimately these cyclic loads will work and fatigue your load carrying structure - the shrouds and stays. Do you want to cyclic load the shrouds and stays year round or just during the sailing season. It all depends on the design life for these shrouds and stays.
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Ron Mehringer
Engineering issue
I don't imagine the cycle loads placed on the boat and rigging by keeping the mast up would prove detrimental. Consider how much greater the loads are with the sails up. Outside of an extreme wind (hurricane+), my opinion is that the boat would be fine. Ron Mehringer s/v Hydro-Therapy
I don't imagine the cycle loads placed on the boat and rigging by keeping the mast up would prove detrimental. Consider how much greater the loads are with the sails up. Outside of an extreme wind (hurricane+), my opinion is that the boat would be fine. Ron Mehringer s/v Hydro-Therapy
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Tim Paul
Loads are Different on Land
Keep in mind that much of the load force is dissipated on water by heeling. On a trailer there is no such relief. I heard a guy at a boatshow seminar a while back give a pretty convincing explanation of why it was smart to take masts down for winter storage and I've done so since.
Keep in mind that much of the load force is dissipated on water by heeling. On a trailer there is no such relief. I heard a guy at a boatshow seminar a while back give a pretty convincing explanation of why it was smart to take masts down for winter storage and I've done so since.
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Ray Bowles
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Michael only needs to raise the mast for a few days, maybe 2 weeks most. (weather is to good to be tied up any longer.) Mike, raise the mast! It will be OK. I would recomend that you block the trailer as discussed before. Try to have the trailer as level as possible. Do it and haul butt. Sail on. Ray
Michael only needs to raise the mast for a few days, maybe 2 weeks most. (weather is to good to be tied up any longer.) Mike, raise the mast! It will be OK. I would recomend that you block the trailer as discussed before. Try to have the trailer as level as possible. Do it and haul butt. Sail on. Ray
Much bigger spars have been left up.
In February or March 1979 there was a wicked gale through the Mid-Atlantic region blowing about 60-70 mph. Not much snow, but it howled like a son of a gun for about two days. During the whole time our Raider 33 'Antigone' was precariously blocked up by a maniacal ex-tugboat captain/yard owner, sitting with the foot of the 6-ft-deep keel about 2 ft off the gravel at the yard and the whole 50-ft stick in place. I even think the boom was on it. I remember asking, 'Dad, do you think we should do something about the boat?' To which he replied (not even looking up), 'Naah.' Of course nothing happened. With some of this stuff worry is counterproductive. A boat on a trailer is going to rock for the simple fact that there is air in the tyres! LOL I mean, really! If you are concerned, block up the corners of the trailer. If the driveway is slanted ALWAYS chock the wheels. When you raise the mast make sure the rigging is at least safety-tight-- looser, and it will definitely give the mast a chance to gain momentum. The greatest worry I would have is for someone thinking he can move it 'just a little' in proximity to overhead wires, etc. But so far as getting the spar out of the way there is a simpler answer-- take it off the boat completely. Some spars can be cumbersome but even a 40-ft stick can be carried by 3 guys. I would prefer a cradle or trailer with a rack alongside for the spars anyway. You could make one out of plywood shapes U-bolted onto the frame. In some cases this is good enough to do maintenance and repair on the mast whilst it sits there and it definitely helps to have a neat litle package when transporting the boat. Truck drivers hate having to pack up spars in addition to the boat. JC
In February or March 1979 there was a wicked gale through the Mid-Atlantic region blowing about 60-70 mph. Not much snow, but it howled like a son of a gun for about two days. During the whole time our Raider 33 'Antigone' was precariously blocked up by a maniacal ex-tugboat captain/yard owner, sitting with the foot of the 6-ft-deep keel about 2 ft off the gravel at the yard and the whole 50-ft stick in place. I even think the boom was on it. I remember asking, 'Dad, do you think we should do something about the boat?' To which he replied (not even looking up), 'Naah.' Of course nothing happened. With some of this stuff worry is counterproductive. A boat on a trailer is going to rock for the simple fact that there is air in the tyres! LOL I mean, really! If you are concerned, block up the corners of the trailer. If the driveway is slanted ALWAYS chock the wheels. When you raise the mast make sure the rigging is at least safety-tight-- looser, and it will definitely give the mast a chance to gain momentum. The greatest worry I would have is for someone thinking he can move it 'just a little' in proximity to overhead wires, etc. But so far as getting the spar out of the way there is a simpler answer-- take it off the boat completely. Some spars can be cumbersome but even a 40-ft stick can be carried by 3 guys. I would prefer a cradle or trailer with a rack alongside for the spars anyway. You could make one out of plywood shapes U-bolted onto the frame. In some cases this is good enough to do maintenance and repair on the mast whilst it sits there and it definitely helps to have a neat litle package when transporting the boat. Truck drivers hate having to pack up spars in addition to the boat. JC
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