Lazy sailor - use of the traveler

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Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
OK, I know this is probably blasphemous but I have a question about how to be a lazy sailor. Some of the time we are just cruising around the lake enjoing the sights and company of the crew. I try to keep the sails trimmed but it is not critical to me at these times. So, here is my question. If I don't want to be adjusting the traveler is it better to: A-Keep it locked in the center position or B-Let is slide free-style to the leeward end of the track On these lazy sailing days how do I get the best trim without having to adjust the traveler? Thanks for not trashing me! ;)
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,695
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
A seems preferable

if only to safely manage the boom from swinging. I tend to think many of us are also lazy sailors and trim becomes secondary to relaxation and enjoying the scenery, company and lack of stress. Constant sail trim seems to fit in the latter category unless you're racing or managing heel.
 
May 5, 2006
1,140
Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
Considering my traveller car slides free on the track.

I don't have a choice so I manage the Main with the sheets.
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Randy: I personally think

you sail the way most sailors do. I do think you'd do better with the traveler centered any time the wind is forward of the beam, and you'd do ok with the traveler free when the wind is aft. But give some thought to how you would deal with, or prevent, and accidental jibe when the wind is aft and the traveler is free as you really would not want both the boom and the traveler slamming over at the same time.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
But But, But.......

You are not getting to your destination as fast as you could if you take the time to use the traveler/sheet correctly. You are missing out on a lot of beer drinking by being lazy!!!
 
Dec 25, 2000
6,052
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Randy, for those lazy sailing days...

with friends aboard with no one in a hurry to get someplace I always use just our genoa. Very little trim needed, but if needed very easy to do. Terry
 
Oct 3, 2006
1,033
Hunter 29.5 Toms River
charlie

Explain again??? How could you get your main on centerline ever! with a free sliding traveler?
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Traveler

Randy K: You did not indicate your boat size and I assume from your question that it might be under 30' - don't ask me why I asumed that as it was the first thing that came into my head. Since you only gave 2 choices - let it run free or center it - I would have to go with centering it. I'm tempted to leave the answer there but I can't. After all this is a sail trim forum. First let me explain what the traveler does. It is used to control the ANGLE OF ATTACK. What that means in simple English is, to POWER UP the boat you pull the traveler (boom) toward the center of the boat. That would be the full power position. To DEPOWER the boat you ease the traveler down. You could use the mainsheet to depower but the traveler is quicker. Aditionally, the mainsheet adjust other things such as TWIST and DRAFT POSITION so if you ease the mainsheet you are effecting other element but with the traveler it only effects one thing and that is angle of attack. So the first thing you do when the boat heels over is ease the traveler down. When yo and your guests are hit by a suddden gust of wind I would hope you would make that change or your drinks and guest are going to be all over the place. Obviously, as I hope you can see, if you use the system of of letting the traveler swing free you'll never power up the boat. I've been around boats my entire life and I really don't get the problem that a lot of sailors have in trimming their sail whether it is a lazy day or a race. I've had a million guests on my boat and I never have the problem of trimming my sails while I'm enjoying a wine or beer and some nice conversation. I keep one eye onr the sail and the other on the quests. I mean how hard is it to make a quick and simple adjustment. These boats are called sail boats as opposed to power boats and they are powered by the wind. Lots of guys like to "set it and forget it" and I have no problem with that. A lot of boats, especailly masthead rigs, that I go on have the fairleads rusted in place and I know they have never adjusted them. My first reaction is they are missing out on a lot of fun.
 
Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
Thanks folks

Don, I have your book and am a bit embarassed about even asking....... ;) You are right, it is a smaller boat, a Catalina 250. When we get a gust I let the mainsheet out to depower. On our boat the traveler is well in front of the wheel (it is at the companionway) and it is not at all handy for me to get to. That means that the crew would have to do it. So for me using the mainsheet to depower is much much easier and quicker.
 
Jun 13, 2005
559
Irwin Barefoot 37 CC Sloop Port Orchard WA
The lazy man's boat has a barney post to sheet the main from

without a traveller, or fixed blocks to center the boom. So I guess the answer for you is to keep it centered. Joe S
 
Jun 13, 2005
559
Irwin Barefoot 37 CC Sloop Port Orchard WA
A Barney Post is similar to a Samson Post but it is in the cockpit.

It is usually a 4"X4" piece of timber that is firmly secured to the keelson (or the aft part of a boats backbone below the cockpit sole/floor) and extends up through the cockpit sole 6" to 10" or so, and it has an encapsulating plate or fitting over the top of that 4X4, so that the screws that secure the fitting go across the wood grain instead of into the end grain. In the center of the fitting on the top of the Barney Post is a single eye where you attach your mainsheet blocks and cam cleat. This allows you to manipulate your mainsheet from almost anywhere in the cockpit. The Samson post is a similar 4X4 on the foredeck with a bar through it, to secure your anchor rode to. The Samson post is still used on different designs of cruising boats, but the Barney post has been completely superseded by the traveler.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Smaller Traveler

Randy K: Please do not be embarassed with any question you ask. Guys and gals like you are the heart of this forum. It is your forum and I designed it around you folks as I don't want you guys to go through what I did to learn how to sail a boat. You should have heard the questions I had when I was trying to get 100% efficiency out of my sail boat and I had no one to ask. Additionally, the answers that I did get back confused me even more!! I'd ask about the traveler and they would tell me it was used to control twist or sometning. Anyway, I suspected your boat was under 30' because in any boat 30' or above you could not get away with letting the traveler run free. Before I bought my Catalina30 I had a MacGregor22 and then moved to a Catalina25. The traveler on those boats was useless - it was too short to be effective. In you case your stuck with using the mainsheet to depower but just bear in mind that when you adjust with the mainsheet your changing a few other elements also. The important thing to know is WHICH sail trim controls do WHAT. Once you know that, your sail trim life becomes easy. I make it easy for anyone who buys a SAIL TRIM CHART - I include FREE a QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE which tells you what elements the sail trim controls for the main and jib are changed when you push or pull them. I have a solution for your problem with the location of the traveler. I had the same problem with the C30. To adjust the traveler I would have had to leave the helm to adjust it. I could have had my wife do it but she did not want to be disturbed while she was catching rays!! Since I liked having her on board I had to devise aother way to adjust the traveler - it was simple. I just extended the traveler lines to the helm. With the flip of the wrist I can make the adjustment.
 
Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
I'll try that

I'll see if I can lengthen the traveler lines to get that control within reach. To be honest, the traveler has always been the control that made the least "sense of difference" to me, probably because it is so short. It is only about 2' long on a C250 Wing Keel and I just don't think it can make much of a difference. Further, the placement of the traveler just below the cabin top winches means the crew (my wife) gets pinned in by the mainsheet when she is working the genny sheets. I am going to move the winches back to the coaming to open things up a bit and make it possible for me to do the genny sheets as well. Once that is all done I guess I could replace the current short traveler with a longer one (4')and maybe that would make the control more effective. All boats have trade-offs and I think the traveler location is one of the compromises on a C250.
 
Jun 2, 2004
649
Hunter 23.5 Calgary, Canada
A guess from the traveler challenged

I don't have a traveler, but used one for 10 days on my BVI trip just now. That doesn't make me very knowledgeable, but I have a thought about the usefulness of a short traveler track. When far off the wind or on a run, I'd use the full length of the long track just because it was there. However, when close-hauled, I'd raise the traveler car maybe only a foot or less on the high side to either get the boom on the actual center-line, and/or to allow the mainsheet and boom vang to be eased to adjust twist but still keeping the boom at center. A short 24-inch track would allow the this. There are times when I could use even a short track for this reason on my boat. Am I right that a short track for being close-hauled is more of a benefit than the loss of a long track when off the wind? (Ha, that's Canadian logic, at least after 8 months of winter!) Rick
 
Jul 1, 2007
169
hunter 29.5 Nanaimo BC
hunter29.5

My boat doesn't have a travellar either I use my boom vang more . Is this wrong? I have thought about putting a short one on the binnacle.
 
Jun 2, 2004
649
Hunter 23.5 Calgary, Canada
John's Hunter 29.5

Not much else we can do. When I need to, I control twist with the boom vang and angle of attack with the mainsheet. They call it "vang sheeting". See the link below; just the first of many Google will find. I adjust my vang all day long. I replaced the useless factory V-cleat on the vang fiddle block with a line run through a block at the mast base, through the deck organizer and back to the clutch that used to handle my jib halyard. The halyard doesn't ever seem to need adjusting with my furler, so it's tied off and hanging on the side of the mast. When my sailing buddy is trying try catch up to me on the lake close hauled, I've sometimes grabbed the mainsheet between the top and bottom blocks (all four strands at once), and pulled the boom up to the centerline. I can't hold it there for long, but I've considered trying to rig a variation of a barberhauler to do the same. I'd either attach it to the boom like a preventer or just a loop around the sheets as I do with my hand. I hadven't thought it through, but I guess I'd need to invest in a block and cam cleat, etc so I could still adjust it easily. The problem is, there's nothing on the boat at the right angle to attach a line to except maybe a stanchion base.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Boom Vang

John Howitt: It depends on what you are using the boom vang for. The boom vangs primarry purpose is to adjust twist. It secondary function is to adjust draft position. So many times sailors push or pull controls without knowing exactly what they do. I know this because every boat I go on for training the skipper has to tell me WHY they are requesting a particular sail trim adjustment and WHAT they are trying to accomplish. What are you trying to accomplish when you adjust the boom vang? PLEASE don't be embarresed with your answer if you don't know. We are all trying to learn here.
 
Jul 1, 2007
169
hunter 29.5 Nanaimo BC
vang

I would say that I'm trying to flatten the sail. I play with the trim a lot (sometimes) and try to watch the knot meter to see what increases or decreases the boat speed.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Ahhhh the scientific method

adjust and measure. The essence of learning and not susceptible to opinion!
 
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