Launching sailboat without outboard motor?

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jrale

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May 24, 2010
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Macgregor unknown 25 ft Home Residence
Dear Macgregor Owners,

Has any sailor launched their sailboat without an outboard motor? If so, then what method did you use to leave and approach the launch ramp?
Your advise would be most appreciated.
jeff
 
Oct 16, 2008
512
MacGregor/Venture 25 Mesa AZ
Off the trailer; control the boat from the dock with lines and turn it so it is pointing "out" and at the end of the dock; raise the sail (main only); cast off when no other boat is in the way and you have a breeze that fills the sail. Getting back is more fun???
 
Jun 5, 2004
997
Macgregor 26D Boise
I love a sailboat challenge. You need to do a careful experiment with your trailer, so that you know just how deep it needs to be to sail right on it. For my 26d, I put the trailer in so just the tops of the fenders show. At this depth, I can sail on my bunks with less than 5 knots or so. As the boat slides on the bunks and slows down, it rises out of the water slightly, creating huge drag. You do not want to ram into the bow stop because you have too much speed or the trailer is too deep. Actually, You could place the trailer very shallow, run the boat on the trailer as far as it will go scrubbing off momentum and speed, back the trailer in deeper and finish the recovery.
Every sailor should practice sailing off of a lee shore. If the wind blows directly towards the ramp, this is the most difficult angle for launch and recovery without a motor. It can be done single-handed, but requires practice. My own boat will sail nicely upwind on main alone, which uncomplicates a single-handed, upwind launch. You must be ready for the final push off of the dock or even the shore. If you have a rudder that folds up, you must immediately get that sucker down.
I have a friend with a Venture 25, and he has the cast metal centerboard/keel. He sails up to the boat ramp with the keel down but not pinned. As the keel rides up the ramp underwater, it slows the boat down even if under sail. YMMV
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Jrale, Are you going to be launching from MDR?
 
Sep 26, 2010
808
Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
Good luck with that!
I've done it for years with the beach cat, and dinghies but those don't really require a boat ramp. I sailed my Force 5 from the Clear Lake public ramp one time and had no trouble going out, but coming in was a different story. The ramp was covered up with people just hanging out, sitting on their boats and jetski's. I made several close passes so they could see I was trying to come in, hoping they would move over a little. Didn't happen, so I finally just barreled right in, approaching from the downwind side. I ruffled some feathers, but hey , what are you gonna do?
The Mac? I wouldn't do it at a busy public ramp. The idiots won't get out of the way, and if you hurt someone or their boat, it's your fault.
With a motor, you can pull up and stop right in front of the ramp and get in line.
Now if you are at a secluded spot and no crowd, then you just have to plan ahead, as if you're sailing a dinghy, but with the dinghy if you make a mistake, you can drag it around. Not so easy with a 3000 lb sailboat, so you gotta do it right the first time!
My 1st trip out on the Mac, the motor failed on the way back, and approaching the public ramp at Kemah was a real adventure but I made it. Again though I was at the mercy of the dock traffic. No fun.
Jim
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
like others said, depends on the dock.

most small boats I sail on don't have engines. (opti's, sunfish, hobie, laser, 420,....etc.)

if you have a really long oar and stand on the bow, you could paddle some distance if the current and wind are not too strong.

some others are using electric trolling motors...

Long dock lines are very important, if you need to turn the boat 180 to leave. (I have 3/8"x 50' 3 stran for the bow)

-the old saying, go no faster than you want to hit the dock applies.
try to sail small boats for the skills you need!

(doe's experience is similar to mine... sailboats get no respect at the ramps... so I use less active ramps when possible.)
 
Sep 25, 2008
295
1970 Venture by Macgregor 21 Clayton, NC
If you have never done this under sail, go to the library and get Chapman's or a similar book and know the diagrams for landing and launching under various conditions.

Most important things is to know your boat and the the the launching area. The most important thing to do is use the wind. The most important thing to have is an altenate plan when the primary plan gets blocked. In everything you do, know what the wind will do to your boat. I never launch the boat even from a familiar dock or beach without walking the dock and beach observing the wind and water in the area before the boat is in the launch area.

In launching, you want the wind pushing you away from the dock so make that the most important thing in your launch plan. If possible when launching without a dock let the wind move the boat down to the beach from which you will be leaving.

When leaving the dock, place your boat in the best position to use the wind. launch from the end of the dock, rotating the boat if necessary. consider the docklines as part of your steering system, when leaving let the boat pivot on the stern line to get the bow in the direction away from the dock. If forced to leave from between boats, allow the wind to push your boat from the dock using the bow, stern and spring lines to move the boat from between the boats, and then release them in the order that will allow you to sail from the dock. Do not be afraid to get the lines wet, loop them around the dock fitting and when released pull them into the boat.

In some condition you can actually back the boat using the sails, (That really impresses the bystanders). We use to launch from a ramp that was in a narrow cove, Because of the shape of the shore and when the the wind was directly off the ramp it was easier to move the boat to the outer end of the dock and sail backwards a couple of hundred feet then bring the bow around and sail away.

In the worse conditions make sure the boom and sheets do not tangle the dock fittings, both coming in and leaving

Plan your landing, make a couple of passes of the area to identify all of the boats, the wind conditions, and the conditions at the dock.

Don't be afraid to make multiple short tacks to get into the best approach position. Watch out for the guy with the motor who slowly backs his boat out of the place he thinks you are going, into the the position you must be on your next tack that you must make because of the wind, shore, the dock and other boats.

The stronger the wind the more likely the final distance is with the sails down. Usually I leave the dock with the main and jib sails set, but hanging free, as a with a motor, you keep the sails idling, and be ready to respond when you push on the throttle. In some conditions the extra draw from the jib without the main may be the difference between hitting the sand bar that you did not know was there and become stuck.

Make sure the crew knows exactly what you plan before your are in your final positioning in the launch area.

This is what makes sailing an athletic sport When you are walking to get the car, you can sneer at the motor boaters who had bets that you would not make it without hitting their boat. Or hear the bystanders conversation where one tells the other see I told you he did not have a motor.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Jrale, with today’s Santanas it would be a good day to go out. The wind is blowing out of the NNW at 12kts. Normally it is from the SW and blows directly down the channel, so you have to tack a dozen times up the narrow channel to get to the main channel. You will likely need two people, one to steer and one to work the jib. I wouldn’t try it with the Genoa in that narrow channel. Today you could solo it straight out the channel. There are seven foot seas today but sailing in the marina would be a blast.
Make sure you have and anchor with you just in case, also a good boat hook. As mentioned earlier when coming in and it is still blowing hard, unlock your keel leave it down and just ground on the ramp if you get into trouble. Come in on your jib only, it is easier to control the speed you can release your sheets completely if needed.
If you want to get fancy you can hang a uturn as you approach the dock and dock facing up wind.
Here is a link to UCLA weather and web cam of the main channel.


You ask how we do it?... With trepidation.
 

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caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
caguy,
I do plan on launching from MDR.
jeff
I will be launching Saturday morning. If you want a tow to the main channel, I'd be happy to oblige.
 
Jul 29, 2010
1,392
Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
Used to sail out of Del Rey ramp all the time. No problem. Also used to sail up to ramp dock under spinnaker if wind wasn't to strong. Had to sail up to dock at Cabrillo Beach aka hurricane gulch when my motor crapped out. Don't want to do that again!! If you can get a tow to the main channel all the better. Fair Winds and Full Sails....
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
Personally I feel that if a person doesn't have very much sailing experience going out with a boat the size of most Macs/Ventures without a working outboard is not a very wise thing to do.

Some of these guys that have sailed on and off of a crowded dock or onto their trailer have quite a bit of experience sailing. It is one thing to try this at a ramp where you are the only one there and another if there are others present.

Can you be assured of not damaging their boats regardless of if you are prepared to accept damage to yours. At the least you will just be embarrassed. We have damaged our boat here in Florida even with the outboard due to having to deal with high pilings that we hadn't encountered before.

We have sailed onto and off anchorages, but even there if we are close to shallow water or other obstacles we will either have the outboard running or would of at least started it and warmed it off before turning it off.

If you don't have a working outboard what are you going to do if there is no wind and you have to come in and/or there is a current that is taking you where you shouldn't be going.

Jeff I guess I'm unclear if you have a working outboard and are just interested in getting in and out not using it or if you are considering going out and then hopefully back in again without one?

Whatever the case good luck,

Sum

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Jul 29, 2010
1,392
Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
What Sumner says is correct. I've been sailing for 40 years and I apologize for assuming a newbie would sail away from the dock. I've seen some real disasters from those who were overconfident. Once again, I apologize. Fair Winds and Full Sails...
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
What Sumner says is correct. I've been sailing for 40 years and I apologize for assuming a newbie would sail away from the dock. I've seen some real disasters from those who were overconfident. Once again, I apologize. Fair Winds and Full Sails...
Hey, hope you know that I wasn't criticizing you in any way. I'd love to go out with you for a day or two. I could learn more than I've learned in the last two years I'm sure :dance:,

Sum
 

Timo42

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Mar 26, 2007
1,042
Venture 22 Marina del Rey
Jrale, did you get out yesterday, I tink Frank and I are both going to be down there today.
 
Jul 29, 2010
1,392
Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
The main thing I've learned in all my years on the water is that, with few exceptions, folks in the sailing fraternity are some of the kindest, most generous, helpful people I have ever met and it is an honor to know all of you. Fair Winds and Full Sails...
 
Jun 8, 2004
350
Macgregor 21 Clinton, NJ
There's lots of possibilities, Jrale, as some others have mentioned. A more recent post makes note that you need to know first the direction of wind and current at the dock. I sail at a lake/resiviour that often has the wind 'on the nose' as you approach the dock with a cross current. I can actually raise the main-very loosely cleated- while at the end of the dock and pointed into the wind, push off with a minimum of keel lowered(only a couple of cranks)as the current rides me parralell to shore. If I time my 'sculling' flick of the rudder just right the sail starts to fill and give me headway. This requires that there is no other boat in my path at the outset or the immediete future.
coming back is tougher as I come in on a 45 angle with loose sails(only main) and turn in when I'm sure the current will carry me into the dock as I lose headway-all the while bringing the keel up by degrees. Still, no other boats in my projected or possible path.
That being said, if its too crowded on recovery, I'd simply beach her in the gravel alongside the ramps(not all ramps/docks have that option, though) and "horse' the boat on the the trailer while standing in water up to my chest. Motor is much easier..
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Here is an example of a perfect docking in about 12 kts of wind at MDR.

 
Jan 19, 2010
12,887
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
You can get a MinnKota 45# electric trolling motor for $215. Not much good for pushing against a strong current in open water but more than adequate for getting in and out of a slip or marina and works great for inland waters. When I first started sailing and didn't have the wife's blessing to spend a lot of money, this is the route I took and it worked great for years. I've since sold that boat but I still have the trolling motor. They are light, easy to stow, quite etc.

2 cents.
 

Timo42

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Mar 26, 2007
1,042
Venture 22 Marina del Rey
You can get a MinnKota 45# electric trolling motor for $215. Not much good for pushing against a strong current in open water but more than adequate for getting in and out of a slip or marina and works great for inland waters. When I first started sailing and didn't have the wife's blessing to spend a lot of money, this is the route I took and it worked great for years. I've since sold that boat but I still have the trolling motor. They are light, easy to stow, quite etc.

2 cents.
Doubt this would work for the O/P, he is talking about launching at MDR, normal wind direction will be right on the nose while leaving the ramp and out the channel to the bay.
 
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