Laptops for the Boat

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Jul 1, 1998
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Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Running windows programs on a Mac

Prime Time: While I don't have one, I know there are programs that when installed on a Mac will run windows programs using the Mac operating system. If this would work with the program you want it might be a lot cheaper than buying another computer and it should be easier than learning a new operating system.

One might be able to get some input from the company that is selling the program you want, or, using the appropriate search words, see what is on the web. Try "run windows program on a mac" or words to that effect and see what you get.

Here's one I found that I've heard of before:
http://www.parallels.com/eu/products/desktop/

hope this helps.
 
Jun 16, 2010
495
In search of my next boat Palm Harbor, FL
Prime Time- Although I earlier suggested getting an iPad, I also have a Win7 laptop for work, and a Mac at home, and have my bias for one over the other. As pointed out here that a "rugged" design laptop, probably will only prevent shock, and not really protect you against water and salt corrosion. I would have to agree with that. Most electronics on boats fail from water, corrosion, or lightning, not from being dropped.

So what to choose? This is what I tell my clients... First settle on the application that will fit your need. There are free sailing/navigation applications, and then there are applications that cost several thousand dollars, and all prices between, although Most are sub $200 or over $1000. Each program is different, better interfaces, more or less information, ease of use, etc. Remember that your expense isnt just the laptop, but also the software, and possibly peripherals that you will need to connect the laptop into the systems on your boat. Most software manufactures will offer a demo version, or a 30 day trial period. You dont need any great laptop to try them out, heck just put them on your pc at home, and just see if you like the interface for them. When i was first trying them out i put them on my laptop, and used them while driving to work, that gave me 10 chances to use it before i got to the boat each weekend.

I am sure that this group will be happy to post a list of applications. Here are a couple, that I use, that work fine for coastal cruising. All under $100.

PolarView (mac or pc)
GPsXNav (mac)
SeaClear (pc or Linux-which can be run on a mac-although I haven't done it) -Free

I know you said you wanted this for racing, and I cant help you there with software, most of the people I help are really just out coastal cruising, but an iPhone 3Gs or iPad (either the 3G version or one with a GPS attachment) and Navionics or GPS NavX apps work really great. Plus you can throw them in a ziplock freezer bag (or two) to keep the moisture out. (I have quite a few military friends who did that in Iraq and Afghanistan)

From your remark above that the Panasonic is pricey, I assume that you dont have $5K+ (latptop + software) to spend. The great thing about most of this software is that 1) you dont need to have the latest and greatest fastest laptop 2) it doesnt take gobs of memory to run it (which could be an added expense over the base price of the laptop). Until the monitor finally gave out I used an very old IBM laptop. It weighed about as much as my anchor. I really like the new netbooks by Aser, Asus, HP, and Dell. They are all small and cheap, and run Win7. Since they are cheap, pick up two, since one will die at some point. The down side is they are small - the screens are like 7". Moving up from here are the Windows laptops. As I said earlier, and if price and screen size is a big deal, get two year old one off eBay, that will be your best value. It may run Win7, but most likely XP (stay away from Vista, like its the plague). On the filp side are the Apple Macs, and the iPad. These are more pricey, but have a much more stable OS, and the battery charge lasts 25 to 30% longer than a comparable PC laptop, which is important. I think battery thing is why I see so many cruisers using them, where power is a premium.

As John N points out you can run PC software on a Mac... There are several ways of doing this, some free, some require additional software ($). I do it with my home Mac (but this is another discussion). Either way if connecting to peripheral systems in your boat, it may not work
HTH.
 
May 18, 2010
543
Oday 27 Gulfport, MS
Here's software for running PC apps on a Mac

It is free and almost as good as Parallels or VMFusion. It is called VirtualBox and is developed by Sun Microsystems for virtual machine environments, so it is a professional grade system, just lacking a couple of bells and whistles that the other 2 might have.

I have Parallels as well but use VirtualBox because it is actively developed and kept current more so than Parallels has been doing--thus making a more reliable system as OS patches and upgrades are put out.

Google VirtualBox and you can download it for free. It is easy to install and then the Windows install is easy as well. I use VirtualBox and SeaClear on my MacBook, along with a USB hockey puck. Works well.

If you end up going this route I am sure there are enough users of SeaClear and Macs to start up a specific thread for that topic.

That's the cheapest route for a current Mac owner wanting to experiment with using a laptop as a nav station. I've used this setup once when sailing from Slidell LA to the MS Coast and while it did come in handy, I did need to leave the cockpit and go down below to consult the laptop--so on my boat its not an ideal setup, but a novelty and perhaps a spot check until I get a chartplotter and mount that on an articulating arm to swing out into the companway.

Good luck.

JQ
 
Mar 3, 2003
710
Hunter 356 Grand Rivers
I've had an HP laptop secured with straps on Persistence since 2003 with absolutely no problems other than age! It is integrated with my onboard system using Raymarine Raytech software. (See photo)

I have used a small sony laptop on a number of occassions including a trip from KY Lake down the Tenn-Tom and on to Punta Gorda. It is my primary computer these days and I carry it back and forth to the boat every weekend. I have also used it in rentals and friend's boats from Punta Gorda to Key West and Dry Tortugas. On my portable, I usuallly have it down below on the salon dining table sitting on a non-slip placemat and it usually rides fine there. In rough weather, I would make alternate arrangements with it strapped down somewhere.

When using for DUPLICATE NAVIGATION I use another copy of my Raytech with a gps connected through usb. My loaded charts on this one are maptech raster charts including the photo charts. I have all my routes and waypoints transferred to this version of the software.

My only problem came on my KY Lake to Punta Gorda trip when I had it sitting above the companionway in the GICW near Bear Point Marina. A large power boat came by while I was not paying attention and the subsequent wave flipped it into the companionway and onto the floor - a five foot drop.! NO MORE COMPUTER!

I have not had any moisture problems with any of the computers I have used on board.
 

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Sep 25, 2008
544
Bristol 43.3 Perth Amboy
Lots of info

Thanks guys for all the advice. I don't think I want to use my macbook pro on the boat with a windows program. I have my business stuff on my mac.

The advantage of the racing software that I am looking at, is that it will actually compute for you the fastest course from "a to b" if the boats polars are plugged in and the weather gribs with wind, current and wave data is imported. This type of software is a fairly standard item for ocean racing. I am not a weather expert and this will help us go fast and be safe. Currently, I'm trying to learn about weather (particularly the 500mb charts) and weather chart interpretation. I am planning a transatlantic trip in the distant future, so I am very interested in this software.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
currently use a netbook (ace) and a 3-yr old compaq laptop--i just sent a dell i have been using for 3 yrs to my son for his own--still working well.. and i sent a vaio that has been on a boat for 3 yrs to my mom for hers. i donot and willnot leave my puter turned on -- they use a lot of electricity-- i use it only when i want to and i donot keep them in cases unless i am leaving boat with them, which is rare.
btw--my boat is kept on a mooring, and i will be anchored when i cruise.
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
1,271
CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
I've never had problems with XP... I like it way better than Vista.
Me too. XP Pro still rocks (mostly). Vista was a turkey, and not the tasty kind; Windows 7 looks OK, except takes 4x the computer I have now just to work half-assed. Also it treats you like your parents when you were a teenager: "Are you SURE you want to run THAT?"

I'm running Linux (Ubuntu Netbook remix) on my ASUS eee netbook and quite happy with it. I use OpenOffice all the time, on all my computers. It's likely that on my next computer, I may skip Windows altogether.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
When interfacing a computer to an autopilot, each nav software app will behave differently. Sea Clear really sucked at steering my boat. Maptech was just ok. Poor autopilot performance drove me to acquire a Raymarine MFD. It does an outstanding job interfacing to my Raymarine Autopilot.
 
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