LaptopNav. Anybody fool with this yet?

Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Here is something strange I have noticed about my USB GPS. When I am not moving I notice that the GPS thinks I am moving (showing speed). My USP GPS is an Ambicom USBGPS. This happens regardless of what I am connect to. Been torn between Seaclear and OpenCPN, but starting to use OpenCPN more. My poor boat is jumping all over the place (if zoomed in really close).

Anyone else using a USB GPS and have this issue?
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
Brian,

The GPS signal is not a rock-solid thing. Most programs that read the GPS directly will give you an estimate of accuracy. Something like accuracy 20 (or something) foot. If you watch and/or track over a few hours you will see the plot wanders around that 20 (or something) foot.

Greg
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,058
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Here is something strange I have noticed about my USB GPS. When I am not moving I notice that the GPS thinks I am moving (showing speed). My USP GPS is an Ambicom USBGPS. This happens regardless of what I am connect to. Been torn between Seaclear and OpenCPN, but starting to use OpenCPN more. My poor boat is jumping all over the place (if zoomed in really close).

Anyone else using a USB GPS and have this issue?
It is possible to zoom in too much for the chart to be "reliable". Rasters and vectors differ in the display OpenCPN will present to you.

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/zoom_in_out

I doubt it would be the dongle, and agree with Greg.

Or you're experiencing a quantum phenomenon. :D
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
I had this same thing happen when we first set up the GPS/OpenCPN Brian. Seemed funny to see my desk making .2 knots.
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Yeah, silly me for not thinking accuracy error corrections. Desk? Hell, the whole house is moving.

25, was there a filter or any kind of setting in O-CPN to account for that?
 

WayneH

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Jan 22, 2008
1,091
Tartan 37 287 Pensacola, FL
Yeah, silly me for not thinking accuracy error corrections. Desk? Hell, the whole house is moving.

25, was there a filter or any kind of setting in O-CPN to account for that?
Under Options, Connections.

First line on version 3.2.2, is "Filter NMEA Course and Speed data" I have mine set at two seconds.

The desk still moves but it seems to not move quite as fast. Longer filter times will reduce movement more but I'm not sure where the point of diminishing returns is.

For example, at 6 knots my boat (37') moves one boat length in 3.65 seconds.

BUT I just noticed that even with a 2 second filter, OpenCPN still updates the status line at the bottom of the screen once or twice a second. Hmmm. Oh, I see. The status line displays the raw feed while the boat icon only updates every 2 seconds. Design feature or bug?

Anyway, I messed around with the filter setting and it does not change the raw data on the status line but does change the action of the boat icon and predictor arrow.

Hope this answers your question.
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Wayne, I was messing around with that also and saw somewhat the same thing. I will have to try this out on the boat when next I venture away from the docks. Thanks.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Thanks Wayne. I had no idea I could filter the configuration to gain more accurate boat speed. I was amazed at how fast it does update which is nice in that when I adjust the sail trim I can see the change it had almost immediately.
 
Dec 29, 2008
806
Treworgy 65' LOA Custom Steel Pilothouse Staysail Ketch St. Croix, Virgin Islands
Here is something strange I have noticed about my USB GPS. When I am not moving I notice that the GPS thinks I am moving (showing speed). My USP GPS is an Ambicom USBGPS. This happens regardless of what I am connect to. Been torn between Seaclear and OpenCPN, but starting to use OpenCPN more. My poor boat is jumping all over the place (if zoomed in really close).

Anyone else using a USB GPS and have this issue?
If you think about it, if your GPS is reporting your location within 50 feet, you really have to consider just how miraculous that is! Considering how GPS works, triangulating from multiple satellites, and measuring the difference in arrival times from the various satellites which are 22,500 miles away, more or less, and it says the accuracy is plus or minus 12 feet, we really can't complain about accuracy. As that accuracy fluctuates due to whatever factors influence those various signals from those several satellites, the GPS has to take that data and give you a position. So, it will vary by a few feet at at time, even when you are not moving. It gets lost in the noise when you are moving.

By comparison, consider what is involved in doing sun sights with a sextant, and then reducing the sights to a position. If you are able to fix your position to within 5 miles you are doing pretty well. At that distance, you should be able to find an island in the middle of the ocean. So, I wouldn't be too concerned about the GPS showing my position varying by 25 feet one way or the other. As others have pointed out, you really can't count on charts using the WGS-84 chart datum being that consistently accurate anyway.

So, snug up the lines and try not to get seasick due to all of that motion!
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
Yeah, silly me for not thinking accuracy error corrections. Desk? Hell, the whole house is moving.
Bryan,

One of my favorite quotes.....:D

“Houses are but badly built boats so firmly aground that you cannot think of moving them. They are definitely inferior things, belonging to the vegetable, not the animal world, rooted and stationary. … The desire to build a house is the tired wish of a man content thenceforward with a single anchorage. The desire to build a boat is the desire of youth, unwilling yet to accept the idea of a final resting place.” — Arthur Ransome

Greg
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Using a USB puck GPS you don't get this as much but if your GPS antenna is mounted on a pole off the stern you get a "wave action" noise introduce due to the antenna moving laterally with the boat heel and wave pitching action. The higher the pole the worse the effect.