Knot meter working intermittently

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jGo

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Jun 14, 2012
30
Catalina 27 Seattle
Hi,

My knot meter is working intermittently and it used to be that if I knocked on the analog display the needle would spring back into action.

Recently, I haven't been getting anything...even with ever more vigorous knocks.

Two questions:

1. In an effort to troubleshoot the problem, is there a way to check if the analog display is functional?

2. Can the paddle be replaced while in the water? (in the event I wanted to replace the whole system)

Thanks!
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
You either have a loose or corroded wiring contact at the gauge, or junk growing on the paddle wheel obstructing it from turning. Yes you can replace the paddle wheel while in the water depending on the model, but it will let a small torrent of water in. I know others disagree, but in my opinion these knotmeters belong in a museum, right next to a lead line for reading depth. A GPS unit is sooo much more accurate for speed (over ground) made good. You don't have to worry about cleaning wheels under the boat, etc. The GPS measures actual velocity made good. The knotmeter is effected by wave, tidal force, slippage, etc. & doesn't take into account lateral speed & distance loss. When/if it goes replace with a small Garmin GPS. Mine came with a depth sensor, tells speed, tracks plotting, navigates & even tell me the outer water temp. Can't beat 'em, unless your batteries go dead. Then dust off the lead line! lol.
 

Jon_E

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Mar 19, 2011
119
Catalina 27 Marina del Rey
You either have a loose or corroded wiring contact at the gauge, or junk growing on the paddle wheel obstructing it from turning. ... A GPS unit is sooo much more accurate for speed (over ground) made good....
It could be both a wiring problem or obstructed paddle wheel. Isolating the variable when there is more than one variable is a challenge.

As for the preference of GPS reading of speed over ground, I couldn't agree more. I've had discussions with several fellow sailors who disagree, who think that speed over ground is inferior, though they could never explain to me why. The speed feed from a GPS unit is much preferable for navigation. The only use I've found for the paddle wheel (speed through water) is to know when I may be at or near maximum hull speed and as a DR backup should the GPS fail (and even then a chip-log is more accurate than the tiny keel mounted paddle wheel at slow speeds).
 
Apr 30, 2010
54
beneteau 331 victoria
In high tidal areas, you want to know both numbers to confirm you are with the tide, arriving sooner, and burning less fuel. if this does not matter to you, then GPS is most relevant.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,063
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
30 July 2004
Getting the Drift in Current Vocabulary

by Capt. Alan Hugenot


It is surprising how many people do not know the difference between the stages of the tide (as in high tide or low tide) and the tidal currents (as in flood and ebb). It is a commonly held belief that word ebb is synonymous with low tide and flood is synonymous with high tide. I often hear the phrase ?The tide was at max ebb?, being used to describe the time of low tide. When they should have simply said, ?It was low tide? or ?the tide was all the way out?. Saying that the tide was at its ?max ebb?, actually means that the tide moving out at its fastest current, and this maximum current occurs when the tide is only about half way out.

Learning the best time to take a boat through the Golden Gate, is impossible without first learning the basic vocabulary. Avoiding the worst conditions requires timing your crossing to suit the tides and currents, and that means knowing the difference between a tide and a tidal current.

EBB AND FLOOD DO NOT REFER TO LOW AND HIGH: They are instead directional adjectives, which indicate the direction of the tidal movement. ?The tide was at ebb?, means that the current was going out. ?it was during the ebb?, means that it happened while the tide was going out. Flood, on the other hand means that the current was going in, and maximum flood is the time when the incoming current reaches its maximum velocity. Maximum flood occurs about half way between the time of low tide and the time of the next high tide. Maximum flood is not, as many people assume, a condition that occurs when all the tide is in. That condition of the tide being all the way in is known as high tide. At the time of high tide, or shortly thereafter the current becomes slack, which means it is neither ebbing nor flooding but just standing still. High slack usually occurs 30 minutes to an hour after high tide. The tide then turns and begins to ebb. It continues to ebb until low tide, which occurs about six and a half hours after the time of high tide. Once the basic vocabulary is understood boaters can begin to figure out when these various stages of the tides will occur, and with that information they can plan their crossings for the best conditions.

Unfortunately, most of the forces exerted on the tides are caused by the moon, which complicates the time calculation because the moon takes 24 hours and 56 minutes to make a complete transit. Normally this means that tomorrow the tides will be about an hour later than they were today, and about an hour later than that the following day. Added to that gain of 56 minutes a day, the sun also exerts an influence on the tides, but the sun makes a transit in 24 hours. The lesser pull of the sun retards or advances the times of the tides slightly. The combination of these forces gives us the varying heights of the tides. Once, we understand all the terminology it should be simple enough to look up the time of high or low tide in a tide table, and the times of maximum flood and maximum ebb in a tidal current table.

But, if you have ever been to the Bay Model and watched that demonstration of the tidal currents flooding into the bay and ebbing out again, then you probably know that the highs and lows arrive at different places in the bay at different times. At some locations the highs and lows can be as much as two hours later than they are at the Golden Gate. Added to that is the fact that the maximum depth of the tide could be quite a bit higher or lower that it was at the Golden Gate. To calculate these times, heights and current velocities for the various locations around the bay requires using the tidal offset tables. These were developed by years of observation at each tidal reference point listed in the chart. The Coast and Geodetic Survey, a government agency that preceded NOAA, collected and compiled all this data and created the tidal offset tables.

However, after we understand this calculus we don?t need to actually figure it out any more. Instead we can go on the Internet and find it already calculated for us, at the two sites listed below. Many of the savvy racing skippers on the bay use this info which shows the currents in every area of the bay, to plan their strategy before each race. By looking at the predicted current flows and knowing the bays current patterns from experience they can determine which side of the race course will be favored with an assist from the tidal current if the predicted wind direction occurs during the race.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,207
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
As for the preference of GPS reading of speed over ground, I couldn't agree more. I've had discussions with several fellow sailors who disagree, who think that speed over ground is inferior, though they could never explain to me why. The speed feed from a GPS unit is much preferable for navigation. The only use I've found for the paddle wheel (speed through water) is to know when I may be at or near maximum hull speed and as a DR backup should the GPS fail (and even then a chip-log is more accurate than the tiny keel mounted paddle wheel at slow speeds).
The speed log is a performance tool.... speed through water.

The gps is a navigation tool... speed over ground.

Both are important if you're racing... the log, less so if you're not....

But until they build a gps that will tell you how fast you're going through the water I'm not ready to condemn the speed log to the maritime museum. If that was the case.... skippers wouldn't still be paying big bucks for the devices and instrument companies would be offering something new.
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
Thanks for the comment Stu. Ps. My Garmin 440S GPS also tells me the tide schedule, whether it be Ebb or Flood! I just think for the money spent for an all in one instrument the GPS is hard to beat. I actually spent some money trying to restore some of the old depth & speed radial sensors that came with my boat, & in the end it was really a futile waste of time & money. No instrument is perfect, but I would even take a siple hand held Garmin 76 over analog gauges. If we told sailors 40 years ago of this miraculous device they would've thought that it was Star Trek technology & said that
you were crazy for dreaming it up! Cheers.
 
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