Keep the window cracked open?

Feb 16, 2009
9
2 Vision 32 Edmonds
Hi folks ~ Maaaaaany years ago, when we started sailing the Salish Seas here in the Pacific Northwest, we got advice on how to winterize our boat. One of which was to keep a window or two cracked open for ventilation, to "keep the air moving through the cabin."

Here in the PNW, the temps rarely stay below freezing, and there's a lot of moisture in the air. I get the "keep the air circulating" bit, but am wondering if leaving the windows open is drawing in excess moisture into our cabin.

Do folks keep the windows cracked, or do you close it up?
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Have you considered a dehumidifier? We leave ours on the galley counter with with a continous flow hose in the galley sink.
 
Aug 16, 2006
281
Ericson 32 Oregon coast
If you have access to electricity, HEAT. It's the

same as houses in the PNW. You need to keep the temperature above 50 degrees. Use a gentle heat source such as a small oil filled heater or dehumidifier.
 
Feb 16, 2009
9
2 Vision 32 Edmonds
I do have shore power, but feel a bit nervous about using a heater and leaving it on unattended... Am I wrong?

I mainly wasn't sure about leaving a window cracked open... None of the other boats in my marina (Edmonds) seem to have their windows cracked open.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
How about solar vents? I have 2 and seem to work well. You can't cover them up though :)
 
Aug 16, 2006
281
Ericson 32 Oregon coast
You'd be probably be slightly better off keeping

them shut. Again it's the temperature. If you are in the area you could open it up on warmer mid days to air out and let in warmer air and then shut it up before evening. Anyway the answer to your original question is, "No".
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
It's funny I was thinking these same questions this morning. It seems it rains here 300 days a year lately, and when I tried to ventilate my boat it was a swamp. I mean, if the humidity is 90 percent or even higher, this makes no sense to draw in moist air. With me, those dry desiccant bags, DryDeck or something like that, they were just fighting a loosing battle.

I have a tendency to overbuild everything, so a small plate dehumidifier wasn't going to cut it either. So I got one of the compressor models, a Soleus I think, and now when I get to the boat it's so dry in there your eyes won't blink. I have no idea if there is any such thing as TOO dry, but for my taste, it works for me. A dry boat, is a happy boat.
 
Feb 16, 2009
9
2 Vision 32 Edmonds
With me, those dry desiccant bags, DryDeck or something like that, they were just fighting a loosing battle.
This is EXACTLY what I'm dealing with! Honestly, it feels like I'm using the desiccant to dry the Pacific Northwest.

I'll close the windows. I'll set up a few low voltage fans to keep the air moving within the cabin. And I'll shop around for a low voltage AC heating element to keep the temp above 50 inside the cabin.

Thanks for you thoughts!
 
Oct 9, 2008
1,742
Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
I like this stuff. I buy the three pack bags. Read the reviews. I think it makes a huge difference. Coupled with a fan... nice. http://www.homedepot.com/p/DampRid-64-oz-High-Capacity-Moisture-Absorber-FG50T/100391308?N=5yc1vZc5bq
I use those too. 3 tubs spaced in the cabin. I also use a common wm warmer. It's a low wattage unit designed for unattended use as specified by wm. It's not a dehumidifier, but more of a condensation inhibitor. The combo with the tubs, warmer, and the cabin sealed works fabulous, and the tubs last a month or so even during the wet season if the cabin is closed up.

I'm not an expert on the subject and will accept snickers from one who is, but from experience I think that if you cannot control the moisture level and condensation inside then ventilation is the next best. However if you CAN control them IE the absorbent tubs and the warmer, then ventilation is NOT good, as it allows additional moisture intrusion.
 
May 7, 2012
1,522
Hunter e33 Maple Bay, BC
Hi folks ~ Maaaaaany years ago, when we started sailing the Salish Seas here in the Pacific Northwest, we got advice on how to winterize our boat. One of which was to keep a window or two cracked open for ventilation, to "keep the air moving through the cabin." Here in the PNW, the temps rarely stay below freezing, and there's a lot of moisture in the air. I get the "keep the air circulating" bit, but am wondering if leaving the windows open is drawing in excess moisture into our cabin. Do folks keep the windows cracked, or do you close it up?
We are North of you, but experience similar cool/cold wet weather. We do not leave any openings to the outside open. A Caframo marine heater set at setting 1 (600W) and temp 3 is in the salon and one WM pan air dryer (100W) in each cabin. We are also using an Eva Dry dehumidifier plumbed into the galley sink this year for the 1st time. The temp inside so far this winter has not dropped below 45 and is normally around 60 whenever I stop by in the early afternoon. Humidity has never topped 60%.
 
Sep 28, 2008
922
Canadian Sailcraft CS27 Victoria B.C.
Dehumidifiers and heaters help but should be combined with ventilation. Of the 3 ventilation is the most important. With good ventilation the heat and dehumidifier are not really necessary.

Living aboard in Victoria for 17 years.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Jam,

The dehumidifiers are very low draw. I like most boaters, have shorepower hookups running 24/7. I also use a dehumidifier for those fall & early spring times that are full of moisture, temp fluctuations & fog.

To make you feel better about using a dehumidifier, you can use a house timer & set the "on" times from say 3:00 AM till 9:00 AM. It will circulate warm air for drying moisture but not run constantly.

I assume you have vent openings in your companionway slats or deck venting. If not having some venting, air will not move making it very hard to vent & lessen moisture buildup. This is why some boats with A/C systems, run in the dehumidifier mode.

CR
 
Feb 16, 2009
9
2 Vision 32 Edmonds
The boat does have vents so it won't be completely "sealed."

I like the idea of house timers... Call me a worry wort!

Keep the air moving.

Keep the temp warm.

Have some way to trap and remove moisture.

For air movement, I'll look into those WM pan air circulator things.

I already have one of those space heaters to keep the air warm. But have been nervous about leaving them on 24/7. I'll experiment with some settings and a house timer outlet for those colder wee hours.

As for trapping moisture and dispensing it, I'm kinda done with those crystals... I just ordered the evadry dehumidifier. I'll need to figure out how to modify it a bit so that it drains into the galley sink.

That's my plan! Thanks everyone!!
 
Jul 28, 2013
9
capri 22 west vancouver
Keep ventilation going. Keep the windows open if you can avoid rain coming in. Moisture in the air in the boat will condense on any cold enough spot in the hull or deck. Heating in the boat will increase the moisture carrying capability of the heated air and this moisture will condense in the afore mentioned cold spot. Unless the heating effect is large enough and the hot moist air is removed. Ventilation brings in ambient air and because the boat is generally at ambient temperature no condensation will occur. Keeping the windows open and forced ventilation tends to keep the boat full of fresh ambient air so that condensation will not occur as ambient conditions change. Dessicant will work if its effect is large enough that no moist air reaches cold spots.
 
May 7, 2012
1,522
Hunter e33 Maple Bay, BC
As for trapping moisture and dispensing it, I'm kinda done with those crystals... I just ordered the evadry dehumidifier. I'll need to figure out how to modify it a bit so that it drains into the galley sink.

That's my plan! Thanks everyone!!
I find that I use to get about a cup of sticky water in a month of using the desiccant crystals. With the Eva Dry 1100, I get about 4 - 6 oz/day of clean water. I modified my Eva Dry by drilling a small hole dead centre in the front of the tank at the very bottom. I then used a bit of sealant to secure a 1/4" barbed fitting Rainbird XBF1CONN (or similar) into the hole. I then ran a 1/4" clear hose (aquarium) to the sink Total cost for the mod: $1.50
 

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Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
It's -16C here in London Ont. I have the car windows cracked open so ice doesn't form on the inside of them. It works when it's really cold. Not when it's -2C.
In my boat (The one I happen to be using.) I leave a small muffin fan running in the bilge 24-7. The draw is tiny. .02ah. It make a huge difference!
My solar charger keeps the battery topped up to the point that the fan will be running and the charger says the battery is full. It's a cheap charge controller that just has lights for charging and charged so it's not the most accurate or efficient.
 

DougM

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Jul 24, 2005
2,242
Beneteau 323 Manistee, MI
With all the boats I have owned, I have never worried about condensation. They have either been winter stored inside a barn, or outside under a fitted cover. As far as air circulation, since there is no power available, I rely on the vent holes in the hatch boards and leave a forward hatch slightly cracked open, which theoretically will create a small amount of convection. I would imagine that if a boat sits in the water all the time, its a different story.
 
Sep 28, 2008
922
Canadian Sailcraft CS27 Victoria B.C.
Temperature difference is the issue. As long as the interior boat temp is the same as the outside temp there is no condensation. When the interior temp increases due to either a heater or a solar hit there is a problem when the temp drops as the cooler air will not hold as much moisture. It has to go somewhere and condenses on cooler surfaces.