Hi all. I sure need some help? This July I bought a 1979 Oday 30 and had it survayed for insurance purposes. Also had it surveyed for rigging and the diesel surveyed as well. All was fine except for a 2 by 6 inch delamination at the trail edgr of the keel. Surveyor said should be okay to sail until fall lift out.??? Our first shake down cruise we came out into 25 knots with 3 to 5 ft chop. My admiral went down below and came out fast. The cabin sole was making terrible noises of tearing fiberglass. We where starting to take on a small amount of water. We downed sail and motored to shelter. Lifted boat out and glass was ground down through 9 layers and the cracks extended approx. 30 inchs from the trail edge forward on both sides of the keel. This was layered and faired. The keel still makes noise and I suspect the stringers under the cabin floor have been compromised. The cabin sole is showing signs of cracking. Anyone. My thanks in advance. Mysticwind
Keel seperation *YKS
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re: keel seperation
Hi Rad> The keel is fix and there are no keel bolts. This keel is fibre glassed, hand lapped to the bottom of the hull. Repairs have been carried out to this part. It appears to be damage to the stringers which are not accessible without cutting out the floor of the cabin? Thanks Jim
Hi Rad> The keel is fix and there are no keel bolts. This keel is fibre glassed, hand lapped to the bottom of the hull. Repairs have been carried out to this part. It appears to be damage to the stringers which are not accessible without cutting out the floor of the cabin? Thanks Jim
Get the Surveyor
I think you should go after the Surveyor. Damage such as this should not be a suprise. What did you pay him for?
I think you should go after the Surveyor. Damage such as this should not be a suprise. What did you pay him for?
oh dear...
Mystic this is troubling to hear! Is it possible it was run aground by a previous owner? I've not been able to find any actual pictures of how the Oday keels were attached. hope you can get it fixed!
Mystic this is troubling to hear! Is it possible it was run aground by a previous owner? I've not been able to find any actual pictures of how the Oday keels were attached. hope you can get it fixed!
No keel bolts?
"The keel is fix and there are no keel bolts." Really, no keel bolts. Are you sure? Is that right?
"The keel is fix and there are no keel bolts." Really, no keel bolts. Are you sure? Is that right?
My 32 ODay CC
is a center board model and has no keel boats, I'm guessing its was glassed to the hull just like Jim explained and if the keel hit bottom hard enough or got dropped from a sling I could see damage like he has to the stringers and could a surveyor see that,I don't think so and he could say it just happened. sounds like you have to remove the cabin sole and asses the damage,I'm sure it's fixable but for how much and is it worth it.
is a center board model and has no keel boats, I'm guessing its was glassed to the hull just like Jim explained and if the keel hit bottom hard enough or got dropped from a sling I could see damage like he has to the stringers and could a surveyor see that,I don't think so and he could say it just happened. sounds like you have to remove the cabin sole and asses the damage,I'm sure it's fixable but for how much and is it worth it.
No keel bolts!
The full keel model '30 has the keel molded into the hull. A molded lead weight is then dropped in the bilge area covered with fiberglass. There are no keel bolts. I've done a bit of fiberglass work on my boat ('84 O'Day 30) in that area. The hull is 1/2 inch of solid fiberglass down there. It's hard to believe this sort of damage could come from a single grounding. It sounds more like it was pounded up and down repeatedly. There is empty space between the lead and the fiberglass of the keel. Water in there could also cause damage when it freezes. I'd guess it would split the keel open.
The full keel model '30 has the keel molded into the hull. A molded lead weight is then dropped in the bilge area covered with fiberglass. There are no keel bolts. I've done a bit of fiberglass work on my boat ('84 O'Day 30) in that area. The hull is 1/2 inch of solid fiberglass down there. It's hard to believe this sort of damage could come from a single grounding. It sounds more like it was pounded up and down repeatedly. There is empty space between the lead and the fiberglass of the keel. Water in there could also cause damage when it freezes. I'd guess it would split the keel open.
Keel Bolts
Well, live and learn as the saying goes. I have a 1985 O'Day 31 which, design wise, is basically the same as the 30. Mine has keel bolts so I ass...umed the 30 would also. I'm sorry I don't have any help for Mysticwind.
Well, live and learn as the saying goes. I have a 1985 O'Day 31 which, design wise, is basically the same as the 30. Mine has keel bolts so I ass...umed the 30 would also. I'm sorry I don't have any help for Mysticwind.
re:keel seperation
Hi Peach. Thanks for the reply. The cracks have all been ground out from the point where the keel fairs to the hull. (9 layers) The ovious problem now is the cabin floor is cracked and feels spongy. It makes a noise when sailing and there is flexing to the hull. Do you know of anyone who has repaired the stringers and sole? Also how they proceeded? Is there wood or plywood sandwiched under the sole or in the stringers? Re the surveyor. There was no sign of repairs or damage to the keel other then the small delamination reported. My fibre glass man said there where several air pockets in the layup to the keel. (probably from when the boat was built) and these added to the problem. I am trying to determine how and at what cost to repair this boat. If anyone out there has gone through this please let me know. Thanks Mysticwind
Hi Peach. Thanks for the reply. The cracks have all been ground out from the point where the keel fairs to the hull. (9 layers) The ovious problem now is the cabin floor is cracked and feels spongy. It makes a noise when sailing and there is flexing to the hull. Do you know of anyone who has repaired the stringers and sole? Also how they proceeded? Is there wood or plywood sandwiched under the sole or in the stringers? Re the surveyor. There was no sign of repairs or damage to the keel other then the small delamination reported. My fibre glass man said there where several air pockets in the layup to the keel. (probably from when the boat was built) and these added to the problem. I am trying to determine how and at what cost to repair this boat. If anyone out there has gone through this please let me know. Thanks Mysticwind
mystic, we need more info!!!!!
i also own a 1979 O'day 30. it sounds as though you have the keel center board version as i have. i have owned this boat for 19 yrs and i may be of some help if i had more info. i pretty much know about all the nooks and crannies of this particular model. hope i can be of some help. ps for what its worth, if its the k/cb version their arn't any stringers over the keel s/v Que Pasa?
i also own a 1979 O'day 30. it sounds as though you have the keel center board version as i have. i have owned this boat for 19 yrs and i may be of some help if i had more info. i pretty much know about all the nooks and crannies of this particular model. hope i can be of some help. ps for what its worth, if its the k/cb version their arn't any stringers over the keel s/v Que Pasa?
Keel seperation
Captn Jim, Thanks for your reply. It is an Oday 30 with a fixed keel. The keel is fibreglassed to the hull and this part has been repaired by grinding out up to 9 layers of glass and relayering and faired to hull. Are there any stringers or frames from the trail edge of the keel aft that support the cabin floor. Have you cut any of this area out to do repairs? At present I have cracks and spongy feel to the cabin sole in the above area. Has anyone had to cut out the fibreglass sole to carry out repairs? Mysticwind.
Captn Jim, Thanks for your reply. It is an Oday 30 with a fixed keel. The keel is fibreglassed to the hull and this part has been repaired by grinding out up to 9 layers of glass and relayering and faired to hull. Are there any stringers or frames from the trail edge of the keel aft that support the cabin floor. Have you cut any of this area out to do repairs? At present I have cracks and spongy feel to the cabin sole in the above area. Has anyone had to cut out the fibreglass sole to carry out repairs? Mysticwind.
mystic ,its fri. even & 1 too many black russians.
was not aware that fin keel ver. were encapuslated. will respond in am on sat re; my thoughts. arrrchm or whatever pirates are saying this week. s/v Que Pasa?
was not aware that fin keel ver. were encapuslated. will respond in am on sat re; my thoughts. arrrchm or whatever pirates are saying this week. s/v Que Pasa?
if it is like 28...
if the 30 is like the 28, there are short stringers across the keel (which....yes is an encapsulated lead/iron/cement/fiberglass resin mixture) The rest of the hull is lined with an interior pan tgo give strength to the hull with smaller fiberglass stringers attaching that to the sides of the hull. If you look underneath your settes you can see them. good luck, Mike C. O'28 "Da Capo"
if the 30 is like the 28, there are short stringers across the keel (which....yes is an encapsulated lead/iron/cement/fiberglass resin mixture) The rest of the hull is lined with an interior pan tgo give strength to the hull with smaller fiberglass stringers attaching that to the sides of the hull. If you look underneath your settes you can see them. good luck, Mike C. O'28 "Da Capo"
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