Keel goes Bye Bye

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Sep 25, 2008
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Macgregor 25 Naples, Fl.
Well it's time for another chapter in the "Adventures of Papillon", "The never ending story........

Two wees ago I had a new outboad motor mount break and dump my new 8hp Nissan in the drink. I had just got everything form that mishap corrected and cast off the lines today for a nice day of sailing in the gulf.

To make a long story short, I went below to crank down the keel after clearing the outer marker of Gordan Pass and found that the bulkhead was bowed out like a it was about to explode. I was not able to crank down the keel because of the preasure on the winch handle was so strong. I had replaced the bulkhead with "King Starboard" and this stuff bends.

For the life of me I could not figure out what was going on. But after studying the problem for a while...about 15 minutes I came to the conclusion that the keel must have let go from the pivot bolt and was being suspended by the keel cable.

I checked the keel bolt and it was tight on both sides so I started to question my conclusions. The boat was very unstable and I decided to go over the side and take an upclose and personal look to see what was happing downunder.

I was not too surprised when I found the the keel was hanging from the winch cable and no longer attached midships.

Back onboard I tossed out the anchor and when she set I proceeded to remove the bulkhead and once it was out of the way I was able to crank down the keel to the end of the line. I loosen the cable clamp and down she went.

I did take the time to press the MOB button on the GPS before I let her go.

Tomarrow I will dive on the site and do an inspection of the keel to determine where it failed. Based on the results of that dive I will be able to see if it is going to be worth trying to recover 625 lbs of cast iron in 20 ft. of water or to go to plan " B "......" C "....and "D".

Stay Tuned...for further develoments.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Boy Mickey, if it wasn't for bad luck you'd have no luck at all. Ray Charles

Don't give up on that keel. It was smart of you to mark it. I have a feeling it will be cheaper and easier to recover the old one. Especially if you have diving skills, if not I'd learn some.
 
Sep 25, 2008
77
Macgregor 25 Naples, Fl.
We went hunting today but visibility was less then 3 ft. and we could not locate it. I will try again in a few days when the visibility improves.

I dove on the boat as well and there was no remains of the keel still attached but the new pivot bolt was intact. This leads me to believe that there may be enough left of the keel to be repaired.

caguyBoy Mickey, if it wasn't for bad luck you'd have no luck at all.
Caguy, It's not me....it's Judy that is the jinx. She says it is my way to get her to put down the book and wine glass.

To be continued:
 
Sep 26, 2008
40
Macgregor 26D Olive Branch
Ougggg... that is Scary! Sorry you are having the problem and hope you find the keel. Let's don't bring luck or anything like that into this. I am about 3 weeks from all of my mods on my 88 26D (my second season as any kind of a boater) and things like lost daggerboards, lost 8 HP Nissans (I have one too) worry me. My Judy (I have one too) were at Sanibel last week. Wished we had our boat but this was her trip. You guys have some great water compared to North Mississippi.

All the best to you buddy.
 
May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
wow, it could have been a lot worse!

I know they do make under water metal detectors.. maybe you could rent one. then use the halyard to lift the keel up. (you'll need something to hold it.. maybe even a kayak or inflatable would be a better choice than lifting it into the cockpit...

fwiw I added some cable and a lock to keep my OB from leaving the boat.. since its not thru bolted...

my motor safety:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/ftldiver2/MACGREGOR/PB180012.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/ftldiver2/MACGREGOR/P1010014.jpg


best of luck!
 
Oct 22, 2005
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I'm sorry to hear of your bad luck To locate the keel have you tried a heavy magnet? I bought one at harbor freight for a few bucks and carry it onboard for the next time my keys go overboard.
 
Oct 8, 2008
362
MacGregor/Venture 25 Winthrop Harbor, IL Drummond Island,MI
Holy Smokes Mike,

Did you say you just replaced a keel bolt before this happened? Remembering where my hole is located on the keel, a huge amount of metal would have to be gone to lose it that way. Is there any chance that the bolt wasn't thru the proper hole? Maybe the keel was resting on the bolt, and then when you went out, shifted and fell off?

I am VERY curious to hear what happened. Always been a fear of mine....losing the keel under sail in heavy seas.

John
 
Oct 24, 2008
424
Macgregor 25 (1984) Wildomar, So. Cal.
Mike - Let us know how things turn out, and what exactly failed here! When I purchased my boat, the keel was missing, and it took some time (and a GREAT deal of luck) to locate another one. I'd hate to think of putting this thing together, and having the keel fall out again that way. Looks like some sleepless nights ahead (worry worry worry)...
 
Sep 25, 2008
77
Macgregor 25 Naples, Fl.
I have not been able to locate my keel yet and I am looking to go to plan "B" . That is to fabercate a new one. Somewhere either here or on Macgregor Sailors forum, I read of someone who had made a tracing of their keel. If that person reads this or if anyone knows who that fourm member is, please advise me as to how to reach them.

Plan "C" is if anyone can give me some measurements I would be most grateful.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Mickey you are almost better off finding a basket case boat and salvaging it for the keel. You can pick up an old boat for practically nothing.
 
Oct 24, 2008
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Macgregor 25 (1984) Wildomar, So. Cal.
I'll be taking the keel to my boat off the trailer for some finishing work before I reattach it to my 25. I should be doing this some time in the next week or so. I agree that you're better off salvaging one from another boat - but I'll get some photos and dimensions and send them your way when I can.
 
Mar 17, 2007
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Macgregor 25 Ft. Myers, FL
info@bwyachts.com Mike go to this site and ask her for the drawing/measurements of a mac centerboard. Mine is a 1981. I took my CB off to clean it up and paint it. I was really supprised by the amount of metal that had corroaded off the leading and following edge. It wouldn't have been long before my CB was broken off and sunk in the gulf also. I couldn't find a new CB so I'm in the process now of cutting about 2" off the following edge to get to good metal and redrilling the holes. It shouldn't effect performance to much. Good Luck. Ron
 
Apr 25, 2005
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Macgregor Venture 25 My Backyard
Wow. What year is you boat? I might be able to get under mine and take some measurements. Mine is a 1979, so if yours is older it should work fine.

Sorry to hear about your loss, but on the up side... You single handly created a new reef habitat.

Gregg
 
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20/20 hindsight

We all learn from this stuff. If it had happened to me, and I wanted to recover the keel, I would have left it connected to the boat and got it as close to shore as possible.

If I had to let it go, I would have tied a line and float to it, to mark the spot. Just a little food for thought.
 
Sep 25, 2008
77
Macgregor 25 Naples, Fl.
Wow. What year is you boat? I might be able to get under mine and take some measurements. Mine is a 1979, so if yours is older it should work fine.

Sorry to hear about your loss, but on the up side... You single handly created a new reef habitat.

Gregg
Thank you Gregg for the offer and I will take you up on it. My boat is a 1980. Was there a big change in keels after 1979?
 
Sep 25, 2008
77
Macgregor 25 Naples, Fl.
We all learn from this stuff. If it had happened to me, and I wanted to recover the keel, I would have left it connected to the boat and got it as close to shore as possible.

If I had to let it go, I would have tied a line and float to it, to mark the spot. Just a little food for thought.
Both points are well taken and I didn't considered both. The problem with going to shore with the keel hanging from the winch cable was putting so much preasure on the starboard bulkhead and causing so much flexing of the cockpit that I considered it unsafe to allow it to continue any longer then possable.:eek:

As to flaging the keel before I cut it loose, well that one I will put in "dam...why didn't I think of that" file.:)
 
Sep 27, 2008
77
Macgregor 25 petpeswick harbor nova scotia
Mike

i have my boat on trailer in yard doing work its an 84 mac, i will get all the measurments possible and post for you, betting to find an ole beater boat for the parts would be cheaper for ya. i was going to just use a pressure washer and clean mine out but now you got me wondering

wade
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
In the spirit of learning.

We all learn from this stuff. If it had happened to me, and I wanted to recover the keel, I would have left it connected to the boat and got it as close to shore as possible.

If I had to let it go, I would have tied a line and float to it, to mark the spot. Just a little food for thought.
I agree and a fender tied to it would have worked.
 
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