Keel delamination?

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Apr 28, 2005
274
Oday 302 Lake Perry, KS
The yard is getting ready to bottom paint our O'Day 302 and I got a call last week to "come check out the keel." I've attached some photos of what I found on Saturday.

This is a wing keel and I'm 99% certain it's lead. On the top of the port wing there was a shallow depression where the guys had broken out loose material. It's about the size of two dollar bills and it is about 1/4" to 3/8" deep. After I blew away the dust, it appears the material is rough, grainy, is a whitish color, and it appears to be very solid.

When I checked the starboard side of the wing, I noticed there was an area that appeared to be "bubbled" a bit. The bubbles were about 3/8" high and when I popped one of them, there was a small void under the bubble. Under the void, the material seems solid.

The remainder of the keel is in very good shape. The bottom is smooth with no visible issues.

I've attached a couple of photos of the port side with the void, and a shot of the starboard side with the bubbles.

I'm hoping there's a metallurgist or two on the site. Can lead "delaminate?" Can water get into a void and cause this? Is it likely this has been there since the keel was poured?

And...what do I do to fix this? Do I have the yard fill it? With what? Or do we just put a good barrier coat on it and then paint it? (I've been using VC 17 - this is a fresh water.) Thanks to all of you who can weigh in on this.
 

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Aug 31, 2005
116
Columbia 34 MKII Smith Point,VA
Keel

Hard to tell from Pictures. But if you call Rudy from D&R Marine he can tell you what that is made of. Never saw lead blister like that. Almost looks like lead over Cast Iron

Ph 508 644-3001

Rudy worked for them till they closed their doors. Some very strange things happened before they closed. Your HIN # will give you the date it was made, That will help him. Have not found anyone that knows more about O'Days, He helped me many times. His website is http://www.drmarine.com/

Good luck.

Joe
 
Apr 15, 2009
302
C&C 30 Annapolis
keel

Looks like some crud in the casting. Fairly common on the top surface of wing and bulb keels. Impurities in the lead float to the surface as the lead is cooling in the mold. Grind it out till you get to shiny lead, fill it with epoxy filler compound then bottom paint as usual.
 
Oct 14, 2005
2,191
1983 Hunter H34 North East, MD
When grinding...

be sure to wear a properly rated respirator to avoid lead poisoning!
 
Jul 17, 2006
75
Oday 302 Port Henry
Steve,

Currently own a 1987 302 and had the same problem. The Keel on that boat was made by Mars Metals. It is solid lead that has been barier coated and faired. You have lost some fairing compound, no big deal. I fixed mine with some thickened west system. Five years no problem.
 
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Oct 6, 2007
1,172
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Ran into a similar problem 3 years when I re-did the bottom. I was trying to smooth down some small bumps on the keel and broke through into what appeared to be small pockets of sand. I just ground it out 'til I got to shiny lead and faired it with epoxy. No problems since.
 
Apr 28, 2005
274
Oday 302 Lake Perry, KS
The answer and solution -- thanks!

Thanks to all who responded. I talked with Rudy at D&R today - he diagnosed it instantly: impurities in the pour and it happens all the time.

He was amazed that this was the first time anyone noticed in 22+ years - said it usually was seen in just 6-7 months. It's still a bit of a mystery as to why it didn't appear until now...maybe the previous owner and I both missed it (but I doubt it).

The solution: grind it down to shiny lead and fill it with epoxy with a filler. The yard had already done it when I called today.

This is a great board with great resources. Thanks to all of you who helped me out with this.

Steve
 
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