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Feb 3, 2015
299
Marlow Hunter 37 Reefpoint Marina Racine, WI
Boomer,
I had Cindy on the tiller from the start as I knew she was a bit anxious about the boat heeling and I felt I could help get past that anxiety better if she was in control of the boat and kept her focus on driving the boat instead of just being a passenger and focusing solely on how far the boat was heeling over. She soon got to the point that she was burying the rail far more often than I did as when I was at the helm I was still being cautious to not let her heel too far over. Once Cindy's confidence grew and she got comfortable with the fact the boat heels and what you have to do to prevent it from going to far, and more importantly what the boat does on it's own if you screw up and let it heel over too far, i.e. round up instead of just flipping over and sinking, her comfort level aboard the boat soared from high to sky high! Now she enjoys screwing with me by rolling the boat up on her side while I am down below or have my head buried down in a hatch. God love her.

Sam
I agree. It's not that she isn't comfortable or hasn't taken the helm, I think she needs to take it the next level and really take command of the boat with me as slave labor! Funny story, she had the helm and she had it heeled tot he rail. I was down below plotting our position after taking a bearing and braced rather well when she took it too far and we rounded up. I swear we did a 180!
 
Oct 28, 2013
678
Hunter 20 Lake Monroe
Ward,
We upgraded to a 4 hp with reverse for Cindy this year as she did not get along with our previous 3.5hp as you had to spin it around for reverse. Short arms. Funny thing is she started the 3.5 with no problems, but the 4hp has a different recoil setup and it does not start as easy. I am starting to get it figure it out but even still, not as easy as the 3.5. Both were new Tahotsu 4 strokes.
I looked but did not find a electric start option for the single cylinder Tohatsus. I thought about rigging up a cordless drill starter but the recoil would have to be removed in order to access the flywheel nut. Do not want to do that for obvious reasons. Our boat is just too small for a 8 hp which is the smallest electric start motor I could find. But our next boat will have a new 8 or 9.9 with electric start, trim, and alternator hanging on it.

Sam
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,180
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
How do you instill this confidence in a positive way. If I am aboard she will always defer to me rather than making any of the decisions on her own.

I am working on this with my teenage sons as well (ages 16 and 19). would love to feel comfortable letting them take the Stargazer out on their own, but with them I'm worried mostly about dockside boat handling. We dock in a tight canal requiring a 360° spin in close proximity to other expensive boats when we return to our dock. I've tried to get them to dock the boat by themselves, but they always freak out and give the helm back to me when we get close to the spin point.

Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated.
Teaching good technique and practicing it. For example, if gybing is scary, furl the genny then gybe the boom, controlled. Also, practice doing 360 deg spins in tight quarters not lined with expensive boats, etc. Also--my wife, a music teacher, has a little ditty in her studio--"Nothing improves my hearing better than praise."
 
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May 12, 2004
1,505
Hunter Cherubini 30 New Port Richey
I've tried to get them to dock the boat by themselves, but they always freak out and give the helm back to me when we get close to the spin point.
Do you have any empty docks with empty slips on either side? If so, even if it does not exactly match your situation, that might be a good place for them to practice. How about in open water? Throw a mooring ball, or something equivalent, with a weight to hold it in place and have them come along side, come forward on it, back into it, etc. Don't wrap the line around your prop. If you have two balls, place them apart as wide as your slip and have them drive between them, back between them, try to simulate what you have at the dock. They will probably be a lot less nervous knowing they aren't going to smash into the other guy's boat. That should help them focus on what they are doing right rather than worry about how they might screw up. Do you have access to a smaller boat they could practice on? Your boat always looks bigger coming into a slip than it does on the open water. Good luck.
 
Oct 28, 2013
678
Hunter 20 Lake Monroe
Pateco,
I am far from a "expert" sailor but it sounds to me like your wife has a good bit of experience, far more than myself in some areas. Some people's personality prevent them from being the decision making type. Just going off what you said but it sounds like she probably knows what to do, just lacks the confidence to do it, maybe out of fear of making a mistake. Sometimes people need to see the outcome of their actions in order to learn what is wrong from right. When I teach people to fly I am basically there to guide them and keep them from killing themselves. You can tell a person to keep the windward wing down in a crosswind a hundred times but until the see what happens when they don't they are just words. One good scare with the plane skipping across the runway towards the weeds teaches them more in 5 seconds than I could in 5000 words.
I would probably just grab another beverage and let her go at it. I pretty much let Cindy command the ship so to speak. In fact she herself at one point told me I needed to let her make mistakes which was awesome as it showed to me she really wanted to do this, even if it meant she did something wrong. So I let her go now and only say something if it is going to create a dangerous situation or knock my head off with the boom. Backing out of the slip was one of those times I just needed to have blinders on. It got pretty interesting a time or two. But she learned from those moments and now I very seldom have to say something.
For fear of sounding sexist, I don't mean to, but some women just think differently than men. Learning to sail for Cindy has been an eye opening event not just because of what she has learned about sailing itself but the other lessons she has learned in the process that she has transferred to her daily life. Like now she looks at every flag and tree to see the wind direction. She is a much more cognizant driver about what is going on around her as on the water people are trying to run over you from every direction, not just left or right. She has learned to multi task doing multiple mechanical task at the same time that she never dreamt she would be doing. Most importantly, she is learning to look ahead and think ahead. That has been maybe the hardest thing to teach. Sailing, like flying, to do it well, requires you to think multiple steps ahead of where you are at the present time. She had never had to think like that and it just took time. I know a time or two, ok, maybe three, she got aggravated with me for little things like making sure a line went around a stanchion one way instead of the other so when it would be in the right position when you went to use it ten steps later or to make sure the all the dock lines are aboard the boat so they do not get into the prop.
We are in our 3rd season now and the progression of her learning has been fun to watch. It was painfully slow at times and it seemed like she forgot everything she learned over the first winter. But she continued to build her knowledge base and got better and more attentive. There are times she still struggles, but she never gives up. Sunday she heaved too on her own as I was busy doing something. Then when I asked her how to continue on I got that deer in headlights look. She started in saying do this, do that, none of which really mattered. She finally said laughing "Maybe I should just complete the tack" She released the jib on the starboard side, let the head sail cross the bow, reset the port sheet and away we went. She then said as she sailed off, "sailing is really pretty simple if you just stop to think".
Hang in there with your wife and kids. Let your wife run the ship and see how it goes. She may just surprise herself.

Sam
 
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Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
Bring the boat "up short" (anchor line vertical, straight to the bottom), cleat rode tight, then let the boat bob and swing some and the anchor should break out in a minute or two. If not, power ahead a bit to break it out.
Exactly- the ex was 5'2, 108 pounds. 22 pound Bruce, 75 feet of chain, no windlass.

Only time she had a real problem was when she ran aground once and had to dinghy the anchor out to kedge off .

And yeah, I wish she was still around :)
 
Mar 23, 2009
139
Rafiki 35 North East, MD
Matt,
"From one very fortunate husband to another, happy sailing!" I am not quite yet a fortunate husband as Cindy and are not married. But in 23 short days we will be. I lucked into a keeper and I am not letting her get away!!!

Sam
Smart man! And congratulations!
 
May 12, 2004
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Hunter Cherubini 30 New Port Richey
Years ago, former GF informed me that for every day she went sailing with me I had to spend the day at the mall with her. Still have the boat. :)
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,926
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
This is a good question... and it touches on two different ideas. The first is temperament and the second is requisite skills.

My wife is certainly capable of learning all that is needed to safely operate a sailboat but my wife wants to sit and read a good book when she is on the boat. She does not want to be working lines or any of that. And she likes to coordinate lunch sometimes but mostly wants to relax and read. Luckily my kids like to work the boat so I have a great crew. Each of my kids have a different temperament. My son only wants the helm when the wind is really blowing. Otherwise he is content to let one of his sisters have the helm. Number 2 & 4 are all around general crew who seem to like all aspects of the boat. My #3 likes the physics of how it all works and wants to tweak every bit of speed out of the sails. She also seems to be the one at the helm when the wind is light and she is my kid with a windsurfer so .... she has the bug the hardest. My #4 kid also likes to troll a fishing line behind the boat and I get the feeling ghunkholling is more her speed.

As far as letting one of my kids solo with the boat.... I have not tried that yet but I have offered to "train" them for it. My only real "training" I feel I need to add to what they already know would be to insist upon their ability to start the outboard by themselves, and work the boat into and out of a slip. The rest of it they have already.
 
Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
You need a bigger boat for your really big admiral!!!!! bigger boats come with electric start motors BTW. As chief maintenance officer all you have to do is make sure that critical system is "well maintained".
Had an ex who could not even tell (I'm not making this up) which way the wind was blowing!! and she was the one who wanted the boat!!!! Admiral 2.0 is able to make the boat go faster than I can, (womans touch?), falls over board retrieving a dingy that had a parted painter and climbed into the dingy, did the MOB drill solo when I had a similar incident with the dingy, knows how to read a chart (and sharp shoots me too).......I could go on and on.
The Captain is responsible for training the crew and this includes the Admiral (except for "galley operations" where she trains me). Having "crew" that is willing to be trained makes the whole exercise easy, you just have to figure out what she can and cannot do (he-man anchor rode stuff....) and figure out how she can get that done too (use boat speed and physics to free the anchor or buy a windlass)(did I say you need a bigger boat?)
After having 1.0 and 2.0 I would have to say that you have a keeper. Good luck keeping up.
 
Aug 2, 2009
651
Catalina 315 Muskegon
My wife learned to dock our Catalina 28 last summer, and to operate it under power. At least, in calm weather. I could teach my cat calculus faster and easier than I could teach her to sail, though.

She just doesn't have the interest. Enjoys being on the boat, doing a vacation on the boat, but she's simply not motivated to sail it.
 
May 25, 2004
83
Hunter 25.5 Panama City, FL
I want to chime in here for a second. I am a female and I would love for my husband to sail with me. He does not like to sail and I respect that, however he does support my love of sailing. I have an electric start motor (I can pull start if need be) and I love (on the rare occasions) when I get the sails trimmed just right and my boat is heeled over in her "groove" at 15-20 degrees at or exceeding t/hull speed (SOG). I do love to sail under bridges for some reason, why I guess, it is a little bit of a rush. I do need to work on my anchoring techniques though. I am working on that. Fair winds and good for you Cindy.
 
Oct 28, 2013
678
Hunter 20 Lake Monroe
SailorLadyLiz,
I knew it probably went both ways. Sorry to hear your husband doesn't enjoy sailing. At least he is understanding enough to support you in sailing which is great. I am still figuring out a way to get electric start on ours as that is the last real hurdle to jump before the boat would be ready for Cindy to just take it and go. I am not giving up, if there is a will there is a way, or so they say. Keep sailing and having fun.

Sam
 
Oct 28, 2013
678
Hunter 20 Lake Monroe
Rranger,
That is awesome that your teaching your girls. Funny how they all have their different personalities when it comes to sailing. I am sure they will all look back on their days sailing with their dad and who knows, maybe later in life they will wind up with their own sailboats.
I taught my daughter how to do almost everything I could do. She can shoot, reload, weld, change her own oil, ride a motorcycle, and I would have taught her to fly if she had any interest but like sailing with your girls, she just did not really seem interested in it to that degree. She flew with me quite a bit and would fly the plane but just never seemed to want to go any further. Maybe we just plant seeds when their young for later germination. Keep them sailing, later in life they will greatly appreciate it!

Sam
 
Oct 10, 2009
1,094
Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
Matt,
"From one very fortunate husband to another, happy sailing!" I am not quite yet a fortunate husband as Cindy and are not married. But in 23 short days we will be. I lucked into a keeper and I am not letting her get away!!!

Sam
Congratulations on having a future sailing wife! My wife has gone out on her own with friends, but she doesn't like it. She grew up racing her Laser and still prefers sailing alone on our sunfish, something she does way better than I do. She prefers lounging on the 23 footer.

Where are you on Lake Monroe? There is an open house and boat show at Lake Monroe Sailing Association this weekend.
 
Oct 28, 2013
678
Hunter 20 Lake Monroe
Indysailor,
Were on A dock at Paynetown. We were at LMSA the first season but Paynetown shaves 40 mins off our round trip drive and we got a slip our first season there. So we get to sail more and we have a slip to boot! The shorter sailing season is a bit of a bummer though as we loose April and October.

Sam
 
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