Jimmy Fallon

Phil Herring · Mar 28, 2015

Based on the whole of your comments I think you're describing a generational thing. Fallon and Conan are definitely aimed at a younger audience than Leno and to a degree, even Letterman.

Stu Jackson · Mar 28, 2015

Us old geezer hafta stick together.

Back in "our" day, we said: "Don't trust anyone over 30."

Now we get to say: "Nobody under (pick a number) has a clue!"

Works for late night comedians and boaters who ask question but won't use Google, too!

Allan12210 · Mar 28, 2015

Stu Jackson said:
Us old geezers hafta stick together.

Back in "our" day, we said: "Don't trust anyone over 30."

Now we get to say: "Nobody under (pick a number) has a clue!"

Works for late night comedians and boaters who ask question but won't use Google, too!

Do geezers usually tell you something then a second later tell you the exact same thing again?

Ralph Johnstone · Mar 28, 2015

Allan12210 said:
Do geezers usually tell you something then a second later tell you the exact same thing again?

Just an ever shortening attention span

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NOBODY but NOBODY will ever replace Johnny ! ! ! !

Carnac, Art Fern, Floyd R. Turbo, Aunt Blabby, El Mouldo, and The Maharishi ............ we'll miss you all.

Stu Jackson · Mar 28, 2015

Us Geezers

Allan12210 said:
Do geezers usually tell you something then a second later tell you the exact same thing again?

--- Lotsa times, but I don't remember.

--- "Did I tell you this story before?" "Heck, it's so good, tell it again." OR "I don't remember, tell it again and see if I remember."

There's a great little book titled "Cruising Rules" with 25 funny rules and great stories to go with them. One of those great books you can pick up and reread anytime or share with friends. One of the "rules" is "No story doesn't bear repeating, and all should enjoy it as if hearing it for the first time."

Works on our boat.

DJW · Mar 28, 2015

Jimmy has brought new life to late night. While he is not Johnny (nobody will ever be) he has brought a whole new life to late night. I never watch him live (usually in bed) but I watch clips from the tonight show and it is stuff that has been gone from tv for a long time.

Dennis

Stu Jackson · Mar 28, 2015

Using Google

Doug,

Thank you for your thoughtful and professional reply in #8.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

What I have seen on this and many other forums are questions that could and actually SHOULD be answered by Google. In fact, I had considered starting a topic about just this subject, so I'll just do it here.

Why do people ask questions? 'Cuz they want answers. IN MANY (certainly not all) cases, the answer would be BETTER obtained through an internet search engine, IN ADDITION to asking here, and in many cases actually instead of asking.

It bears no resemblance to RTFM (Bruce - F is for funny!

), since in many cases the question is "Where do I find the manual?" in the first place. That can get boat-specific and be a particularly pertinent question for a forum like this. But many Class Associations already have the manuals right on their association websites.

And it's not an issue of "Search this site" as an (unacceptable) answer either, 'cuz that's plain rude without offering any other help. As you know I provide links to other information that I know is out there in many of my replies. That is a separate issue.

Suggesting the use of Google is much different.

It reflects a lack of the questioner doing his or her own homework and research for STUFF THAT IS NOT BOAT-SPECIFIC.

I have been having this very "conversation" with other "boat forum regulars" over the past year or so. One of them mentioned just this to me just today:

[FONT=&quot]"They expect to be spoon fed EVERYTHING instead of looking ANYthing up! My favorites are the ones who post "does anyone know of a source for (insert well known brand name equipment here)?" Just for fun, I Google it and come up with two or more [/FONT][FONT=&quot]PAGES[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of sources. When I reply, "please try Google," I'm attacked by 6 people for being "mean" to 'em.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]

I think most of us have been circumspect in suggesting the use of an internet search engine ("Google" - although I use DuckDuckGo) in addition to answering the question. But as the above quote points out, sometimes it does get so basic one wonders about the ability of the questioner to perform even the simplest task on their computer. It is also no reflection of what the heck they do on their boats, since not everyone is as computer savvy, for example, as they are with their boats.

But in this day & age, when the term "Google" has become a noun and a verb and all other parts of grammar definitions that I forgot when I left high school (!!!

!!!) it is almost unconscionable. It, like wikipedia (love it or leave it), has actually become a BASIC source of information for the entire world. And it works on every single communications device in use today: desktop, laptop, tablets, phones --- you name it.

I believe that it is unreasonable and even unfair to take any issue with someone who honestly suggests: "Have you tried Google?" or "Please, do a Google search."

Why? Because if one thinks of it for a moment, it's just like the quote above, and in addition to the links provided and written answers to questions, it points the OP to ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which may and usually almost always DOES have VASTLY more input for the OP.

It has a further advantage. This is a widely read boating forum, and one of the best. But it covers a small number of actual people. You know the "regulars" here already, right? I've actually responded to some impatient OP’s questions by suggesting that folks who have the answer may be out sailing, or not reading this particular topic even though we know they’re out there, or that the OP should post the non-boat-specific question in Ask All Sailors, rather than one of the one-design forums. Things like heads and electrical systems have little to do, in most cases, with a specific boat. And in many cases, the Google search will get the answers way faster than this forum may be able to provide.

Finally, a Google search may turn up a One-Design Owners Association. I am regularly amazed that when people find this great forum and resource, they STILL haven’t found, for example, the Catalina 25 or Catalina 34 Associations, which certainly come up on a Google search. On my DuckDuckGo search engine, they are BOTH the FIRST hit.

Thanks for prompting me to share my thoughts on this issue.

And, now, heeeree's Johnny!!!

Ron20324 · Mar 28, 2015

YVRguy said:
... Anybody can Google a question and wade through a mountain of information trying to discern the answer that is appropriate for their particular situation.... the purpose of this forum is to provide access to the collective wisdom of many sailors who can not only provide an answer but hopefully provide some context as well....

Good Post, Stu. I'm with you! Sorry to say, but the importance of Googling is that you can get FACTUAL information, not the OPINIONS you might get on this forum. With many, varying opinions the OP is then stradled with having no idea which one is true.

I once had a PM thanking me for "cutting through the crap" as the fellow said. Seems he wanted a wire size for some purpose. He got 6 answers, all different. I don't know if that included my answer or not, but, still, that meant that EIGHTY-FOUR PERCENT of the answers were WRONG! My answer was " Google 'wire amp capactiy' ", and that's what he did to receive a FACTUAL answer, not an off-the-top-of-the-head opinion-based reply. My 25-cents worth. Thanks, Stu.

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centerline · Mar 28, 2015

Stu Jackson said:
Doug,

Thank you for your thoughtful and professional reply in #8.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

What I have seen on this and many other forums are questions that could and actually SHOULD be answered by Google. In fact, I had considered starting a topic about just this subject, so I'll just do it here.

Why do people ask questions? 'Cuz they want answers. IN MANY (certainly not all) cases, the answer would be BETTER obtained through an internet search engine, IN ADDITION to asking here, and in many cases actually instead of asking.

It bears no resemblance to RTFM (Bruce - F is for funny!), since in many cases the question is "Where do I find the manual?" in the first place. That can get boat-specific and be a particularly pertinent question for a forum like this. But many Class Associations already have the manuals right on their association websites.

And it's not an issue of "Search this site" as an (unacceptable) answer either, 'cuz that's plain rude without offering any other help. As you know I provide links to other information that I know is out there in many of my replies. That is a separate issue.

Suggesting the use of Google is much different.

It reflects a lack of the questioner doing his or her own homework and research for STUFF THAT IS NOT BOAT-SPECIFIC.

I have been having this very "conversation" with other "boat forum regulars" over the past year or so. One of them mentioned just this to me just today:

"They expect to be spoon fed EVERYTHING instead of looking ANYthing up! My favorites are the ones who post "does anyone know of a source for (insert well known brand name equipment here)?" Just for fun, I Google it and come up with two or more PAGES of sources. When I reply, "please try Google," I'm attacked by 6 people for being "mean" to 'em."

I think most of us have been circumspect in suggesting the use of an internet search engine ("Google" - although I use DuckDuckGo) in addition to answering the question. But as the above quote points out, sometimes it does get so basic one wonders about the ability of the questioner to perform even the simplest task on their computer. It is also no reflection of what the heck they do on their boats, since not everyone is as computer savvy, for example, as they are with their boats.

But in this day & age, when the term "Google" has become a noun and a verb and all other parts of grammar definitions that I forgot when I left high school (!!!!!!) it is almost unconscionable. It, like wikipedia (love it or leave it), has actually become a BASIC source of information for the entire world. And it works on every single communications device in use today: desktop, laptop, tablets, phones --- you name it.

I believe that it is unreasonable and even unfair to take any issue with someone who honestly suggests: "Have you tried Google?" or "Please, do a Google search."

Why? Because if one thinks of it for a moment, it's just like the quote above, and in addition to the links provided and written answers to questions, it points the OP to ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which may and usually almost always DOES have VASTLY more input for the OP.

It has a further advantage. This is a widely read boating forum, and one of the best. But it covers a small number of actual people. You know the "regulars" here already, right? I've actually responded to some impatient OP’s questions by suggesting that folks who have the answer may be out sailing, or not reading this particular topic even though we know they’re out there, or that the OP should post the non-boat-specific question in Ask All Sailors, rather than one of the one-design forums. Things like heads and electrical systems have little to do, in most cases, with a specific boat. And in many cases, the Google search will get the answers way faster than this forum may be able to provide.

Finally, a Google search may turn up a One-Design Owners Association. I am regularly amazed that when people find this great forum and resource, they STILL haven’t found, for example, the Catalina 25 or Catalina 34 Associations, which certainly come up on a Google search. On my DuckDuckGo search engine, they are BOTH the FIRST hit.

Thanks for prompting me to share my thoughts on this issue.

And, now, heeeree's Johnny!!!

I couldnt agree more... i could add my own opinions to this, but Stu covered it pretty well so i wont...

woodster · Mar 29, 2015

YVRguy said:
Ok, I'm really feeling like a voice in the wilderness with this opinion amongst my local pals so I'm searching here for like minds...

Am I the only one who thinks Jimmy Fallon is a nice guy but totally falls short of the standard set by Johnny Carson and other previous Tonight Show hosts? Don't get me wrong, I really like Fallon. He is super likeable and I get that he is younger and more hip, which has its appeal to millennials, et al. But he completely lacks the bearing and presence required to hold his own when interviewing distinguished guests. I saw him a while back interviewing Sir Paul McCartney. He was so starstruck he giggled his way through the entire interview and asked some really inane questions.

IMHO, the tonight show tradition calls for someone a little older, whose humour is a little more subtle. Bill Cosby would have been perfect, were it not for recent revelations (valid or not). I wasn't a massive fan of Leno but he and Letterman are definitely closer to the mark than Fallon and (even worse) Conan. Am I off the mark?

there is a word for this, its....drum roll........NUTRITION.......

we are now in the attrition category

Stu Jackson · Mar 29, 2015

Google again

Doug, no hostility. In my long reply, I clearly mentioned any number of times: "...in addition to answering their question..." only then suggest Google. Please go back and read it. It's simply a way to suggest more sources for the OP. Ron's example was very good. And, quite frankly, many folks just don't think of it because they think "It's a boat, I'll ask here. Oh, yeah, why didn't I think of Google?"

All we're trying to do is help.

Bm3moose · Mar 29, 2015

I've asked "Google" and gotten more information than I ever needed or wanted. I prefer asking on a specific forum and reading through people's opinions who own the same boat and then applying a best solution in addition to my research. I've been hit with the here's three links and ask google response as well as the passive aggressive essay lecturing me for my mistake of asking a question after I criticized stu for telling me to ask google. It's almost as if it's prepared already waiting for a newcomer to pounce on. If I want to get lectured I'll get on sailing anarchy where there are plenty of keyboard warriors. If you're amongst a group of your peers for instance let's say my other hobby motorcycling, and I'm talking to everyone and I ask a guy "hey how do you fix this?" If someone told me to just go Google it instead of giving me an answer or opinion or telling me they didn't know we would have words. Forums give people like me, who is new to maintenance and my specific boat a way to get real world information that I can't get face to face. I had the only sailboat on the water on my section of the river last year. There's not a yacht club or very many like minded groups that can offer advice or I can bounce a question off of. I spent all my time on aluminum boats covered in guns and outboards so owning a sailboat has been a transition.

Stu Jackson · Mar 29, 2015

Google again

Interestingly enough, a Google search might actually find a discussion right here on SBO about the subject matter, too.

If someone told me to just go Google it instead of giving me an answer or opinion or telling me they didn't know we would have words.

I agree.

It's also NOT what I said. Both of you misread my post.

Look guys, we've beaten this to death. We each have different takes on it.

And because this is on the Sails Call Lounge section, and not everyone uses the

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feature, it's not getting a lot of "exposure."

Let's get back to Jimmy Fallon.

I can't stay up that late to watch him.

centerline · Mar 29, 2015

Bm3moose said:
If you're amongst a group of your peers for instance let's say my other hobby motorcycling, and I'm talking to everyone and I ask a guy "hey how do you fix this?" If someone told me to just go Google it instead of giving me an answer or opinion or telling me they didn't know we would have words..

When someone suggests that you google it, without offering a link or any other helpful information, then yes i would agree that is rude.
But when somone offers helpful links, you should at least be grateful someone is at least trying to help...

Many times I will log on here to see whats new, even though i dont really have the time to spend that i would like... I often see someone fairly far down the list that has asked a question but no one at all has answered the poor chap... and even though i dont have the time to give him all the information i may know on the subject, usually i am able to point him in the right direction to get him started with some good information by pointing him to a weblink...

3 positives can come from doing this.

1... Sometimes the google link can explain it better i could in the time frame that i have.
2... the fact that it is already explained there without my having to retype it all.
3... it brings the guy back to the top of the forum so someone else may have a chance to give him what he wants before he gets lost in the many pages and has to post another thread on the same subject, hoping for an answer this time.

And a byproduct of doing this is... if and when im wrong, there is ALWAYS someone who catches my mistake and will jump on it... and give the guy their version of facts as it pertains to the subject... but no matter, cuz the guy gets an answer.

if he, like you, doesnt like my attempt to offer something while he is waiting for his "one-on-one technical support" from another member, then hes welcome to keep waiting until someone decides they have something to offer him... i'll do my best to remember you dont want that kind of help, but im not about to let the other guy suffer, unless i have no knowlede at all of what he is talking about...
everyone deserves a timely response to their question, but not everyone is on here to give the one-on-one support 24/7...

Indysailor · Mar 31, 2015

I'm a professional librarian, a job I've held now as long as the WWW has existed, and I can tell you for certain that there's googling a topic and then there is using Google to find an answer. If I had a dime for all the times I used Google to find someone precisely what they wanted after they had insisted they had already searched the Internet and come up empty I'd own a 36 ft yacht instead of my little Oday. I am an information expert and sometimes I feel like telling people "don't try this at home". Nevertheless, my job is to provide friendly service, so I've developed a strategy whereby I present this embarrassingly different set of results to them in a matter of fact, yet non-condescending fashion.
As for Jimmy Fallon, I love what he has brought to Late Night, even though I usually see his stuff later, but I agree he is not what Carson was. Carson had the luxury of being one of a very few choices for late night night viewing, a position that probably made his job quite different than Fallon's. In some ways, I think Carson had a burden of being the late night host for everyone, whereas In today's television landscape, there is no such thing. What I find remarkable about him is the way in which he mastered that role. Secondly, I think to a certain extent, there was a smaller circle of entertainers that the entire country paid attention to. Carson was at the center of that crowd and they collectively created the experience of the Tonight Show.

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