Jib sheets question...splice or no splice

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Mark Waggoner

My jib sheets are shot on my H28.5. The attached picture shows how each of the sheets has been spliced to a snap shackle. Does anyone know if this is a standard, off-the-shelf cordage product or was this likely done as a custom job? I like the setup and I'm not that worried about flying shackles (furling jib and no sail changes). Any ideas?
 

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Jeff D

Simpler solution

If you have roller furling and only one sail, I would go the simple route. When you get your new sheet, do not cut in half but rather find the center, fold over, push through, and run the two loose ends through the loop and pull. Not that hard to undo if you need to and less bulk. Your picture is not all that custom. It is not that hard to make eye splices, especially on new rope.
 
Dec 2, 2003
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I'm sorry, that SUCKS!

It's dangerous, prone to failure, expensive and can damage the mast. Loose it. Use a single line equal in length to both sheets. Put the middle of the line through the cringle and then the ends of the line through the loop. Done deal. Just a second, I'll take a picture. There. P.S. Ooh, I better get to stitching.
 

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Mark Waggoner

Thanks

Thanks, I think both of you are pointing me in the same direction. Sometimes the obvious is not the first to come to mind.
 
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Terry

Fred, you're such a ham, and your...

contribution to this site is so refreshing. Terry
 
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Terry

Mark, I prefer separate jib sheets...

and I use a double bowline to secure each sheet to the clew cringle. Many racing skippers will run a loop through the cringle with the bitter end through the loop. Light weight, strong, economical and easy to release. That's also what I like about the single/double bowline. Terry
 
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David Foster

Advantages of two lines

1. The breaking strength of a bowline is much higher than the loop around the two ends. 2. If your lose one bowline, you can still control the jib with the second. If the single line knot yields, the clew is gone until you furl or lower the sail. David Lady Lillie
 
Dec 2, 2003
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David, How can that be true?

The loops are at least as fair as a bowline and are not prone to fouling on the rig. Besides working sheets will still be intact after the boat capsizes. Properly sized. And Terry, thanks, that was nice. :)
 
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Steve O.

I'm with Fred on this one

There's no way that a bowline can be as strong as the loop. The bowline is a great knot, but it can break. It's still preferable to the snap shackle though. Another name for a snap shackle on a sheet is "weapon"!
 
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Rick Sylvester

If you're ever going to pole out

you'll want a nice loop (created with a bowline) for each sheet to attach the pole end jaws to. Otherwise, yeah, Fred's set up will work fine too (done that.) The idea about the bowlined loop run back through itself through the clew for quick removal is interesting though.
 
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Scott Wilson

I'm with Fred

philosophically (not physically). Another advantage of the continuous sheet it that you can size it a few feet longer than needed and then periodically move the clew knot a couple of feet either direction to "refresh" the sheet where it gets all the wear at the winch when fully sheeted in. Scott
 
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Terry

Fred, I could sail to Seabec,k quicker. BTW...

where is Seabeck? Do you ever get to Port Gardner? Terry
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Terry, that rings a bell

If I've been there, it was during that latter part of the last century. Seabeck is on Hood Canal. That's the fishhook shaped body of water west of Seattle. The sunsets shown during Mariner games show me waving in the distance. Seabeck is the hamlet tucked into the first turn of the fishhook. We live three miles west of there. The marina at Seabeck is slated for MAJOR work during the next few years. It has NO breakwater against northerlies. Against southerlies, it's a hurricane hole. As we speak, a T-bird (26ft sloop) is sunk at the dock. Has been sunk for a month. What's that tell you? That's why we are moored in Brownsville.
 
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