Jib sheet replacement

Jan 25, 2011
2,439
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
It's time to change the 40 yr old sheets. I think they are Samson original LS or XLS 9/16. I cannot find any data for these old ropes. I am looking at using Samson XLS3 1/2 which is actually .472” spec’d at 12mm. Nine yrs ago, I replaced all running rigging (except jib sheets) with STA-SET and I have never liked it. So, I’m looking at staying with Samson. The winch is a Lewmar 44ST. The ST works with a 1/2 size. Is a 12mm sheet a reasonable size for a 36’ cruising boat?
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,212
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
For cruising, I like Samson Trophybraid….fuzzy, feels good in the hand and grips the winch.
 
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MIGuy

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Apr 27, 2016
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Catalina 320 Anchorage Marina, Holland, MI
Mark-
I'm interested in your feedback about never liking Sta-Set? Please let us know.
Note that my boat is 32 feet and my specs call for 3/8 inch halyards. So, 1.2 inch should be fine for your application.
I too have chosen Samson XLS3 as a replacement. There are good prices at Defender.com.
 

jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
23,330
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Mark, 40 year old lines? WOW....
Go with hand and winch feel. Don't over think it. Plan to change when it wears.

I bought a polyester double braid single line and ran with a Cow-hitch in the middle for attachment to the clew. Removing the lines this year (after 3 years), I noticed the line had collapsed at the knot, so I cut the worn line off and spliced in a couple of eye splices, then attached the lines to the clew with a soft shackle.

Very serviceable line.
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,037
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
@MIGuy I'm not Mark, however, I am not a big Sta-Set fan, especially Sta-Set X.

Sta-Set was one of the early low stretch Dacron lines, a big improvement over twisted and double braid. For that we should all be thankful. However, it is not without its shortcomings, especially with Sta-Set X. The lines tend to be stiff and prone to hockles. Some racers refer to them as a$$hole knots because they, well look like... And they jam in cleats and blocks always at an inopportune time.

Both lines are difficult to splice, especially Sta-Set X because of the very tight weave on the cover. The innovation with Sta-Set X was a parallel core construction. The fibers in the core run the length of the line and are not woven or braided. This reduces the length of the fibers in any given length of line thus reducing stretch. Braided or woven lines stretch more because as tension increases the fibers begin to straighten out and become more parallel, effectively making the line longer. Think of the Chinese finger trap, as the trap is pulled the fibers straighten, the diameter become smaller, and the trap lengthen. Same thing happens to the fibers in the core of any line. This can be a problem with line stoppers as the diameter decreases, the line slips. I ended up a brand new main halyard because under a lot of tension it was slipping. The line was ⅜" NER VPC a very good line for halyards. Increased the size to 7/16" and the clutches held.

Low stretch lines are not as important for sheets for 2 main reasons. When the sheet is under the greatest tension (going to weather) only a very short section of line is under tension, thus even a 2% stretch only amounts to an inch or so of stretch. Second, sheets, especially jib sheets are easy to trim and any stretch can be trimmed out.

Samson Trophy Braid is a nice jib sheet line, if I was replacing my jib sheets, I'd go with them. They have an easy hand, grip the winch well, and are less expensive.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,068
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I am not a big Sta-Set fan, especially Sta-Set X.
Dave, it may be unclear to those who don't know that X is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT line than regular Sta Set.
X SUCKS big time, and most anyone who has ever used it has bashed it on all the boating forums I read. This has been going on for 20 blinkin' years. Sure, it stretches less, but the hand is horrible, it bunches up, it is yuck.
The rest of your analysis is spot on.
Thanks.
 
Jul 19, 2013
388
Pearson 31-2 Boston
I'm surprised that NE Ropes still sells StaSet-X, given the variety of better high-tech lines they offer, for example their Vectran VPC is stronger, more flexible and cheaper than StaSet-X.

When we re-rigged our boat a few years ago, although we used only New England Rope products (StaSet, VPC and T-900),' the rigger said no StaSet-X for anything. Maybe they just have a lot of it sitting around in a warehouse and when its finally gone, they will drop the name.