Jib halyard block and forestay

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Sastevenson

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Hey all,


I am working on converting my rig from hobie to standard cruiser and I was hoping some people could chime in as to what style of block they have attached to their mast below the forestay attachment. I currently have some sort of an in-line sheave about a foot down on my forestay but my plan is to put a new tang on the mast for the forestay and then I've seen people attach a stand-up block below the tang for the jib halyard but I'm not sure how low it should be. Trinkka I'm hoping to see some photos of yours I love when you chime in.


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Here is what I have. Disregard the two other shrouds those are the two shrouds that go aft and act as a backstay. I'm abandoning them this week and adding a backstay.

Thank you guys in advance,

Scott
 
Sastevenson

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Trinkka thanks for the response. Would this be the type of block I would use under my forestay tang?



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Joe11688

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Jan 24, 2005
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I'm really not sure. I couldn't find the Jib block in that Dwyer link I gave you, but Rudy at D&R Marine had ordered me one from Dwyer several years ago and I installed it myself. It was difficult to install mine because I had to cut a square hole in my mast. You won't need to do this.

I think that the one you have pictured will work but you'll need to buy the external Jib block for 5/16" halyard. Check the size of your halyard first. It could be smaller diameter. You definitely don't want a block with a sheave that will take anything larger than 5/16".
Check out this block;
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|103371|311514|311519&id=170473
I'm really not sure, but I think that the one you have pictured and this one, is the type that you'd need to install.
If you have a West Marine in your area or a sailboat hardware rigging store, you may want to go down there and talk to a knowledgeable salesman about the size and type for your mast.
I hope that I was able to be of some help to you on this. I just don't want you to buy the wrong thing.
Good Luck Scott.
 
Sastevenson

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Trinkka thank you very much for all your help. I knew I could count on you.

Thanks,

Scott
 
Ward H

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Scott,
In addition to Joe's recommendations, you can call or e-mail most of the bigger on line stores, explain what you need to do and they will make good recommendations. Pretty sure the on line store here will do that, Annapolis Performance Sailing Ltd has done that for me in the past and Defender Marine has a section on their website where you can ask technical questions. I think I would trust them rather than counting on WM having a salesman experienced in sailboat rigging.
 
Sastevenson

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Ward thank you for the advice. The funny thing is I actually met a great guy at west marine or worst marine as I've heard it sometimes. He races sailboats and had a plethora of knowledge that he has shared with me. He even offered to give me free lessons. Thank you guys for all your advice.
 
Joe11688

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Whatever you do Scott, don't ask Rig-Rite in Warwick RI for any infomation. They charge for information. I couldn't believe it when I read that on their site.
Years ago I had them set up a new Z-Spar mast for my boat and they did an excellent job with the exception of that stainless steel mast plug which contributed to the demise of the bottom of my mast a few years ago.
 
Joe11688

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Scott,
Does this Hobie mast have spreaders for the upper stays?
 
Brian S

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Rig-Rite is the source for spar hardware on my Boston Whaler Harpoon. Every time I've called them to order something, they haven't been the most friendly or talkative people. They sure aren't Rudy...

But I've got what I needed...

Brian

Trinkka said:
Whatever you do Scott, don't ask Rig-Rite in Warwick RI for any infomation. They charge for information. I couldn't believe it when I read that on their site.
Years ago I had them set up a new Z-Spar mast for my boat and they did an excellent job with the exception of that stainless steel mast plug which contributed to the demise of the bottom of my mast a few years ago.
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Sastevenson

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Aug 8, 2012
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Trinkka,


The rig that I had when I got the boat did not have spreaders however I retrofitted it with them. I consulted a rigger in Southern California and he walked me through the whole process. I fabricated my own brackets and used stainless through bolts. What one sailing shop told me was that the mast isn't the exact shape I need however as long as I'm not in super extreme conditions I should be fine. Like you I tend to try and do thing myself. I re-rigged all the standing rigging myself using double swedge fittings as well.

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What do ya think? Suggestions.

Scott
 
Ward H

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Glad you found someone to help to at WM. When I started sailing last year I got very poor advice from two WM stores.
Best advice comes from this forum.
 
Joe11688

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Sastevenson said:
Trinkka,


The rig that I had when I got the boat did not have spreaders however I retrofitted it with them. I consulted a rigger in Southern California and he walked me through the whole process. I fabricated my own brackets and used stainless through bolts. What one sailing shop told me was that the mast isn't the exact shape I need however as long as I'm not in super extreme conditions I should be fine. Like you I tend to try and do thing myself. I re-rigged all the standing rigging myself using double swedge fittings as well.

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What do ya think? Suggestions.

Scott
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It looks like you have all the bases covered Scott. I have to take my hat off to you. Looking at what you have, I have to say that even though the lower stays attachment to the tangs aren't set up in the conventional way of today's standard of rigging, it will work. However, you need to mouse those two shackles so that the pins don't back off. You could use monel wire or a couple of tiny zip ties depending on the pin hole diameter, to secure the pins to each shackle.
Hey, at least you'll get to sail this boat when you're through and that's what counts right now. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Good luck!
Joe
 
Joe11688

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Ward H said:
Glad you found someone to help to at WM. When I started sailing last year I got very poor advice from two WM stores.
Best advice comes from this forum.
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Through the years I've had the pleasure of talking and dealing with some very knowledgeable people in boat stores like West Marine, Boat US and etc. There was a girl in Boat US that was so savvy on anything that had to do with boats, that I always made it a point to seek her out whenever I went into that store. She always made sure that I walked out of that store with the right purchase.

We have a guy on this forum who worked in a boat store in Boston and you can tell that he knows his stuff. I've learned quite a lot from his entries.
I'm no expert myself. I learned a lot through the school of hard knocks, plus a lot of screw ups through the years.
 
Sastevenson

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Hey trinkka talk about learning through screwups. My first sailboat has a hobie rig on it. Haha. I tell ya what though I have learned a ton. I rigged my own standing rigging for goodness sake.
 
Joe11688

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Sastevenson said:
Hey trinkka talk about learning through screwups. My first sailboat has a hobie rig on it. Haha. I tell ya what though I have learned a ton. I rigged my own standing rigging for goodness sake.
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Yea! I read about that in your thread. Anything can be doable. I made a mast extrusion out of Trex, PVC trim board, and some 1/4" sheet Aluminum and it works like a champ.

What I would do is go ahead and use the boat the way it is and if you want to stick with it, you can always find a mast and rigging that will best fit it. Otherwise, you may want to sell it and get a different size boat later on.

The O'Day 222 that I have is "the boat" for me and always has been. I wouldn't want anything larger or smaller.

Well, I hope it works out for you.
Good luck!
Joe
 
Sastevenson

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Aug 8, 2012
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Oday 20 My garage
Trinkka,


It actually works out great. Although the mast is a but different shape it is only 6" shorter than the stock one and virtually the same weight. I just purchased a mainsail that is originally for an oday 23 therefore it is about a foot shorter luff and same foot. I can't wait to try it out. Next step is to get the proper size jib and then ill just be a few square feet short of the original sail area which is fine because I'm a newbie. I also retrofitted the mast with spreaders so it is super stable. I love the boat and it is in amazing shape. Id like a little more headspace because I'm 6'1" but I have to be able to keep it in my garage for now because we don't want to pay for storage. 20' is my max.

Scott
 
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