Jaded by positive information .......

Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Sending the boat to the yard is more stressful than sending the car to the shop, but the underlying issue is the same--"How much is it going to cost to fix this?" With the car you might find out ahead of time and act accordingly; with a boat you usually find out when they're done.:yikes: But I agree w/ Gunni. I'm not much of a DIYer b/c I don't have time to learn all of the specialty trades involved with boat maintenance and repair--e.g., fiberglassing, painting, diesels, 'lectronics, 'lektrisity, sail making, canvas making, sanitation, refrigeration, solar power, wind power, autopilots, rigging, and etc. Also, I don't have the specialized tools typically needed. To date, I cannot report any "bad" experiences with the yards I've used either here in CA or previously in FL. I do, however, check on them a few times during the course of any "repair", inspect the on-going work if I can, and of course chat with the person doing the work as well as with the yard supervisor. But, I'm on my 5th boat (not counting dinghies and sabots)--and not that I haven't done a lot of my own work on certain, straightfoward things, like installing a bilge pump alarm or swapping out a windlass or a starter, or changing the propeller, etc., so I do know some things--but realign a shaft, install new thru-hulls, or replace the standing rigging, etc.--no way. I've learned an immense amount about "boat stuff" from this forum, even down to fairly simple things like where to put an in-line fuse (if you're going to use one!). I always like to hear from the professionals here, and usually I follow their sage advice whether given directly to me or not. [Hey, I sold my portable generator!;)]
 
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Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Darn, you are so, so, so right!!!
Look, not everyone knows how to physically DO stuff. But EVERYONE should be able to figure out what NEEDS to be done. If one has gone that far, then checking what HAS been done shouldn't be that hard.

If you've chosen to go boating as hobby or a lifestyle, you OWE it to yourself, your friends and your family, to learn as much as you possibly can. And when you start learning, buy the TOOLS you need to use to do things right the first time.

Heck, many of us survived "pre-internet" and how anybody can claim "ignorance" these days is simply beyond me.

Thanks, Woody, for those very pertinent observations.
I Agree..... This is very true, and common in all types of work... people who have any eye for detail and a reasonably high standard for the way things get done, but are not always capable of achieving these results themselves, are turned into jobsite/workplace superintendents.... and the ones who have high standards and can also complete the work properly are artists in their field and in high demand everywhere.

I think the simplest way to explain it so it can be understood is thru woodwork/joinery... even though few people know how to do it so it looks like a veteran craftsman did it , nearly everyone can identify a well done project when they see it..... or see it being done.
when we see mechanical work done, it should be no different.
just because a person has an extreme aversion to tight areas and a bit of grease on their hands, is no reason to remain ignorant to the task that someone else is doing for them...

hiring it done is alright if one can afford it, but self sufficiency is, above and beyond any other quality a person could possess, the one that is the most valuable, at any point in their lives..... any way you look at it.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
hiring it done is alright if one can afford it, but self sufficiency is, above and beyond any other quality a person could possess, the one that is the most valuable, at any point in their lives..... any way you look at it.
True enough!
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
7,770
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
So James. Now that you've climbed the mountain, how is the Admiral reacting when you smile at that sweet looking 50 footer as she slips from her dock and slides through the marina?
Belive it or Not. She is one that smiles!
She sent me a "for sale" picture of a 52' and was hinting, until I pointed out the 8' draft.:doh:

She now is like a mother hen on our boat. She "swabs" the deck each month, even if it doesn't need it.

In our first six months, she thought she was a JINX, because something always "broke" when we went out.
IMHO...

The first 6 months are the REAL SEA TRAILS.

After about 10 more " no event" cruises, she admitted she was much less tense. Now she wants to GO!
(psssst it is cuz she had more confidence in Master of Our Boat)

Each to his own, but this is OUR fun. Just out on the water.

The ole gal has weathered 3 squalls well.

The Admiral too.:D
Jim...
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,174
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Happy for you. I am working on the first 6 sea trials.. Hope to get to the place when nothing needs immediate attention.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
thanks everyone i hope this helps someone down the road....... and thanks Stu for falling in an adding to the rant....this one has had me sorta bitter over seeing how ignorant and crooked the yard guys can be... not all but some and also how naive the unsuspecting owners can be ....knowledge is power over your purse ....there is no telling how many boaters that have got out of boating because of this sort of thing....