Jacking a 25 off it's trailer.

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Ritdog

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Jul 18, 2011
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Oday 25 Portland, ME
I know this subject has been on here before, but I thought I'd throw this into the pot:

I have an Oday 25 that sits on a bomber homemade trailer - made by a welder. Its one big problem is that because he didn't bend the center cross supports, the bunks are 4 feet off the ground and the bottom of the keel is 18" off the ground as it sits. We need a very high tide to launch and recover.

Over the last 2 years we have done a total refurb on everything in the boat other than the centerboard, so we decided to jack it off the trailer to see how that was doing. I work part time for a guy who sells boat parts, and he showed me how he gets boats off jacks onto his trailers for transfer. It's a lenghty process.

What we did was set two sets of stands under the stern, one about 18 inches off the keel, and the other about a foot off the transom. We re lucky in that there is no cross piece at the stern as to allow the keel to pass. The other two sets were one inside the trailer in front of the keel about a foot, each side, and the other a vertical set OUTSIDE the trailer wheelbase.

That carried a beam made of 2x6s to hold the bow up to allow the trailer to be pulled out from under. The beam itself is made of 6 2x6s , four heavily screwed together in a sandwich, with two others perpendicular to the four. It weighs about 125 pounds, but is very stiff , which is what you need to carry the weight.

Jacking consisted of very slowly raising the four keel stands, then the stern stands , so as to not flex the boat too much. We have had some strange cracks here and there from inadequate jacking before we got her, and I wanted to avoid that problem. The bottom of an Oday is about 3/4" of an inch thick, tapering to about 3/8s at the top of the sheer, but it flexes.

Once we got it high enough, I set up the vertical stands on blocks, set the beam, and started jacking that up, jacking in rotation bow, keel sets, stern, bow, keel sets, stern......This took 7 hours to do.

Once we had the bottom of the keel 40" off the ground we took out the bow interior stands, and pulled the trailer out, carefully avoiding the vertical stands holding the beam . I had taken the bunks off, saving another 8" of jacking. I then blocked the keel, leaving the stern stands up, also resetting the front keel stands ,and it was solid.

So was the centerboard. We pulled out in November, cleaning the hull of the scum the same day. BUT, the CB was jammmed up in the trunk with all kinds of sealife and small mussels-- It was amazing. We had to use a long kitchen knife and spatula to scrape out about 2 gallons of critters to allow the CB to drop....a VERY stinky job....think clams, one month old. We hosed out the remainder, and it all was good.

Setting back down was a reversal of the process, which took about 3 hours.

This is just one method, which worked for us. Joe had some good ideas too, as seen elsewhere. I cannot stress MORE highly that you take your time in doing something like this, make sure everything is chained together, planned carefully, and that you have more enough blocking and stands to do the job. A good sense of humor is vital too- it gets stressfull!
 

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Jun 25, 2012
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hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
Another way I do it is to jack the trailer . Then block or cradle the boat . Lower the trailer then roll trailer out from under boat.
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
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-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
I don't know guy's. Joe, I know you have done a similar procedure successfully a number of times. This post appears to me, to be exercising as much caution, but I'm afraid I am a little skeptical. I was an airplane mechanic in the Air Force for 36 yrs and have jacked many very heavy airplanes, both with hydraulic jacks, and after accidents, with airbags. Both were designed for these maintenance actions, even so "stuff happens". I guess my question is, do the gains out way the risks here. I have witnessed what happens when a boat being jacked, by reinventing the wheel, falls on someone, and believe me it ain't pretty. Then there is the question of hull stress, and the possibility of the resulting damage. I hate to be a "nay sayer" here. I am just wondering if discretion might be the better part of valor, and buck up for a travel lift at your local boat yard and live to sail another day. I know everyone, including myself, does not have deep pockets. In my opinion, this is a very dangerous and risky procedure, and I would really hate to hear about anyone getting hurt or worse, because they wanted to save some money. Amen, I just fell off my soap box. :)
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
The wood beam is a great idea. A guy in Providence RI built one out of 2x6s, lags, and Gorilla Glue and used it to suspend the bow of his 1973 O'Day 23. His centerboard was stuck in the keel slot too, only he wound up breaking it in half trying to remove it because his keel was made of cast iron and it was all rusted.

I generally shore up under my stern with 6x6 x 3.5' wood blocks, crisscrossed. When I want to work under the keel, I shore up under the bow close to the keel in the same fashion. Otherwise I shore up under the keel and use my five stands to keep the boat straight while she's sitting on the blocks. My O'Day 222 has nowhere the amount of weight of the O'Day 25 but it's still heavy and I take extra precautions when I raise/lower it.
 
Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
the quickest and most secure way to remove a smaller boat from the trailer without a crane or boat hoist is by lowering the front of the trailer all the way then placing stands firmly and securely under the rear/transom. then build a timber A-frame at the bow (if your building one leg to use as a beam, you can build two to create an a-frame and not have to jack the boat so high).... then hoist the front of the boat off the trailer with a come-a-long or chain hoist from the bow eye. raise the front of the trailer a little, then pull the trailer out. then block up the boat and remove some, but not all the weight off the A-frame, unless necessary.... on most all boats firm support can be placed at the stern and towards the bow on the keel line. some boat cant handle much pressure on the hull in any location but these "hard" points. additional support can always be placed at wider points to share part of the load and to keep it stabilized and from blowing/falling from the main stands while your working around/on it... or if the ground the stand is setting on gives way or settles for some reason....
once the a-frame is built, its about a 20 minute procedure... but ya still have to be careful...
 

Ritdog

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Jul 18, 2011
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Oday 25 Portland, ME
I understand alll of your suggestions/ comments, but the big problem was that we had to get it WAY up in the air- . The height of the bunks at the stern was the problem. I have seen in other places here where some people had cracks in the liner due to poor jacking - we had one the entire width of the companionway bottom before I filled it. I thought of the stern / bow ring method, but that would have had a lot of weight on the ring and on the stern stands, with a lot of possible flex through the middle of the hull. My big concern was the beam flexing off the vertical stands...would probably change that somehow in the future..... but that's later!
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I don't know guy's. Joe, I know you have done a similar procedure successfully a number of times. This post appears to me, to be exercising as much caution, but I'm afraid I am a little skeptical. I was an airplane mechanic in the Air Force for 36 yrs and have jacked many very heavy airplanes, both with hydraulic jacks, and after accidents, with airbags. Both were designed for these maintenance actions, even so "stuff happens". I guess my question is, do the gains out way the risks here. I have witnessed what happens when a boat being jacked, by reinventing the wheel, falls on someone, and believe me it ain't pretty. Then there is the question of hull stress, and the possibility of the resulting damage. I hate to be a "nay sayer" here. I am just wondering if discretion might be the better part of valor, and buck up for a travel lift at your local boat yard and live to sail another day. I know everyone, including myself, does not have deep pockets. In my opinion, this is a very dangerous and risky procedure, and I would really hate to hear about anyone getting hurt or worse, because they wanted to save some money. Amen, I just fell off my soap box. :)
You're right George. raising a boat off a trailer is very dangerous. I started doing this back in the 1970s without boat stands. Then after buying my new 1986 O'Day 222 I continued doing it with sailboat stands.
Oddly enough, lowering the boat on the trailer can be twice as dangerous because of two important variables. The trailer needs to be centered so that the keel sits straight on the trailer's keel board, and it also needs to be level. My other driveway is pea stone and the ground slope a little away from the house. Consequently I need to level my trailer by shimming up under the wheels on that low side. For centering the trailer I use my Speedy floor jack on a short plank to roll the trailer into the right position. With the jack placed in the center of the trailer, my 23' tandem trailer can be moved from side to side by hand to center it.
As I raise or lower the boat, I keep the hull level at all times and my shoring is never too far from the hull as I do this.
To me it's worth it in spite of the fact that it can be very dangerous. I don't have the money to have it lifted. I seldom have someone do a job on my boat that I can't do myself.
I think it depends on the individual. We had a new YC member a few years ago who picked up and O'Day 25 for cheap and he bought a trailer for it. This guy was green at sailing but he always had powerboats. The one thing in his favor was that he was a good mechanic. He was able to get that boat over the trailer with the aid of an eye beam and jacks, and build poppets to support it. He came down the club and was able to get the mast up all by his lonesome. He had everything all worked out. He mounted a mast crutch in the bed of his pick up to support the mast while he pinned the tabernacle and raised the mast over the bow of the boat. What a brilliant mechanical mind this guy had.
The sad part is, he took the boat out by himself in unfavorable conditions and came back with the notion that sailing wasn't for him. He left the club, sold the boat, and wound up buying another powerboat again.

I don't think you need to be a mechanic to do stuff like this but it sure helps. I was a lineman for 32 years and that's all we ever did was raise heavy objects on a daily basis. Can accidents happen? You bet. I was operating a center mount derrick one day in the plant yard and we were lifting a large three phase pad mount transformer and bringing it around to the back of the truck. No one remembered to set the mechanical jack stabilizers in the back of the truck. The boss said, "go out with the stinger!" and I did. All of a sudden the ass end of the truck went down and the cab was in the air, and the truck rolled over on it's side--before I was able to jump clear of it of course. The truck's engine was still running while she was tipped over on her side. I was waiting for her to get right up and right herself. It was so serious yet so funny that day. By the way, that accident happened on election day. :D
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
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-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
Hi Joe, I think my biggest concern was the big IF. If you aren't use to doing things like this, heck, even if you are use to doing them, there is great possibility for injury or....worse. I have seen it several times in both my military career and my civilian life. In the Air Force "Risk Management" was pounded down on us, and as a manager I had to pound it down on the folks that worked for me. Mitigate the Risks so you go home to work another day, even if it meant stopping flying and all maintenance on the ramp, and this did happen. Have I ever taken a flyer when doing something...you bet...and somehow I am still here to be talking you. I guess my biggest fear here is that someone will see these postings, not interpret their meaning correctly and end up getting hurt. I do agree that YOU can probably do this safely, but someone else may not see how dangerous it is. Take care my friend, give penny a pet.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I often worry about that very thing myself. Will someone who is unfamiliar with raising heavy objects get hurt trying to do it, and I try to emphasize the danger involved and convey to them in every way that if they don't feel comfortable doing this, don't do it. I've also suggested that if they are persistent in taking on something like this that they seek the help of someone who is more familiar at doing it than they are, a power company or telephone lineman for instance.

Penny seems to be doing well for nine years old. I keep telling her to stay young for me and act like a puppy. Lately she's been sleeping in all day and when night comes, she all bright eyed and bushy tailed and she starts bothering me to play with her. I just hope and pray that she never gets Arthritis like my other First Mate, Ziggy Pitbull. She was quite a pal on board for eleven years until she lost her hind legs. Here's pic of Ziggy.
When Ziggy was a puppy I had a hard time trying to pick out a name for her. My wife didn't want me to pick out a female name, so we settled on Ziggy. Later on I told my wife that the name Ziggy was short for Ziggathia. :D
 

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Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
78
-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
Ha...good story Joe. Dog's are such great friends, and such individuals, If you don't pay attention to them, you really miss a lot. Hang in there Joe, keep up the great posts. Remember...spring is just around the corner...it's all down hill now!
 
Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
If we can get by this month George, we've got it made. February is a short month and then I think it will be all down hill from there. January is such a boring month. I haven't been doing a darn thing except catching up on some reading and taking naps during the day. Lately it's been so gall-dang cold that I don't even feel like going for a walk. Hopefully if it warms up a little next week I'll take Penny across the river in the kayak for some beach combing, get a fire going on the shore and cook up some grub like we always do on the other side of the river. I'll stop in at the YC and check to see if the carpenter started working on the inside yet.
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
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-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
Yeah, I understand Joe, January has always seemed as though it was 50 days long. Down here in VA, compared to other places I have lived, it isn't that cold 40's and 50's for the high's, but because of the proximity to water, and the North wind that is predominant, it is cold. I can't wait for spring either. I keep busy with projects in my work shop, go the gym, and read....how did I ever have time to work??? I like your idea of kayaking, my have to get our's out here early this year. Just getting out on the water will be a good thing. See what sort of wild life I can see.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Kayaking in the winter months can be dangerous on certain days and you need to pick the good days to go out. I do have a dry bag down the house that I never use but I really should pack some extra clothes in it and take it with me when I go on my short trips across the river. I do carry a Fisker's hatchet, a take down bucksaw that I built in my workshop and a knife along with the other stuff I carry in my bug-out bag. I like starting my fires with a fire steel.
I usually bring my camera with me along with a goose neck attachment to clamp it on to something for timed exposures. I try to keep a fresh supply of chopped wood in the area nearby just in case I need it in a hurry. We enjoy walking the shoreline looking for washed up treasures. During the summer months we do this in some of our favorite coves out on the bay.
Last summer we were in Church Cove on Mount Hope Bay walking the shore and I found a nice light red baseball cap that read in black lettering, "Mount Gay Rum- Barbados- FIGAWI Race 2005. It has a yellow outline of the Island of Barbados in the background. I've had three different people come up to me and ask me if I was in that race, and where did I get that hat. One of them was actually in that race in 2005. I told them that I found it washed up on the shore in Church Cove. I enjoy wearing this hat and it's been a great conversation piece if nothing else.
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
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-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
"Mount Gay Rum", I love it, if you have ever read any on Homer Hickams books, you will recall that Mount Gay Rum is mentioned in many of them. The hat is a great storey. I can see why it means so much. Your kayaking trips really sounds like fun. I agree with picking your days, and I have seen wet suits down at the NEX at Little Creek, think I will take a closer look at them...might not be a bad idea. I can launch my kayak in my back yard, but it does entail doing some wading, and the Chesapeake Bay is in the upper 40's now. Some sort of special footwear might be in order at the least. It would take a mean man to stick an unprotected foot in that!
 
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