J24 vs Martin 242

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Nov 15, 2009
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Homebuilt Lightning Vancouver
So I'm looking for a sailboat in the 24 foot range that has a good one design class in the Pacific Northwest area, but also I want to be able to cruise her single handed, and take friends out on little day trips...

Anyone know what the length of the v-berth in the j24 is?

Any pros and cons of these two boat designs would be greatly appreciated!

thanks all!
 
Oct 2, 2006
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I have owned 2733 and currently 2930 both 1981 hulls. The berths are full size and comfortable and you can sit inside and read .

Its not BIG inside but beats the heck of and tent i have ever stayed in :) we used to do weekends with two coupples when we werre in are twentys

The single handed issue is that with the standard boltrope main putting it up and down solo is a PITA ,This is a simple matter of having slugs put on the main so it stays contained on the mast :)

Taking NON-SAILING friends can be hard because it is a sit on TOP of boat and it requires anybody forward to be able to slide under the boom during tacks
 
Jun 9, 2008
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Well, first of all, if you are talking one designs, I would think the J/Boat would be a much better choice because it is the 2nd largest one design keel boat class in the world (the Star boat is #1). The Martin is 242 is obscure by comparison. But, you have to check the fleets in the area you wish to sail. If there is a Martin 242 fleet and no J/24 fleets, then you know the boat of preference if you wish to race.
But, my bet is you'll find a J/24 fleet. Call up a local J/Boat dealer and they will tell you where they are.
The J/24 is really quite roomy below because of her generous beam, but it only has sitting headroom. All the berths are long enough for most tall people. The boat sails very well, but not like a modern J/Boat. Remember the J/24 was the first boat Rod and Bob Johnstone built in their garage some 30 years ago and while the design remains the same, modern J/24's have been retooled and are much better built than the early ones. They are still built today by Waterline Systems in Rhode Island.
The Martin 242 also has sitting headroom. I am not as familiar with the interior layout, so don't know how it is for sleeping. I know it has a good reputation for keen sailing.
 
Jun 9, 2008
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I just talked to a sailor friend who is a California/Hawaii sailor and he says the Martin 242's are popular in the Pacific NW and there are fleets. But, he thinks the J/24 is a better all around boat.
 
Mar 2, 2008
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Cal 25 mk II T-Bird Marina, West Vancouver
I think you need to evaluate your need / wants. Is it a racing sailboat or a cruising sailboat you are looking for? I have sailed both the M242 and T-bird 26 a lot and have had a J24 as a marina stable mate. They are fast racing machines but defiantly not cruising sailboats. They are very tender and wet with very limited cruising facilities, and difficult to single-hand because of all of the sail controls.

I had a Hunter 23 wing keel and found her to be very easy to single-hand with a tiller pilot and furling/reefing headsail. She was surprisingly fast, similar to a Cat-25/27 but not as fast as a M242. She could take a surprising about of heavy weather with the two mainsail reefs. In the ten years that I owned her, I have single-handed crossed the “pond” to Nanaimo in every month of the year including in winds up to 30 kts and waves to 1½ metres. Average speed about 5 kts (6 hours from T-bird marina) with a max of 9 kts surfing down the back of some long rollers after a NW storm.

I now have a CAL 2-25. This in not the old flat-top CAL 25 of the 1960’s but a modern design that has a longer waterline length than a Cat-27, stand-up headroom, large berths, enclosed head, Yanmar diesel and interior room about the same as a Cat-27. She is still economical to maintain, berth and single-hand but a much sturdier sailor.

Probably a better bet for both racing and sailing is something like a C&C-25 or 26, Mirage-25, Kelt-7.6 or Cat-27. For racing only, you should add the older CAL-25 and SJ-24 to your list but of the two you are considering I would cast my vote for the M242.

This is a good time of the year to buy a boat as the prices are very low but in our area you have to consider the availability and cost of moorage. You may want to get your name on a number of marina waitlists (some will want a fee to be waitlisted). Don’t look at only one marina and don’t wait until you buy a sailboat as very few boat come with a marina berth. A good sailboat like you are considering should cost about $10,000 to $15,000, insurance about $300 to $400 / year and moorage about $3000-3,500 / year +/- 20%. You should also budget on repairs/upgrades that could be very minimal or very extensive (expensive), depending on the initial condition and your racing requirements.
 
Nov 15, 2009
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Homebuilt Lightning Vancouver
Awesome thanks all for your comments!

I've looked at the SJ-24 and raced against it quite a bit, but even sailing smaller slower boats against it, managed to just walk away from it...

I would mostly have the boat for one-design racing, as well as club races and the odd weekend cruise... Ideally I would rather have the M242 or J24 for the resale, as I would most likely be moving up to a larger boat sometime down the line...

One thing I have read about J24s is they like to sink from time to time... I realize this is a problem to due with pushing your boat past your crew's limits as well as the vessel's limits.

I will look closer at the CAL2-25.
Any more comments about these boats will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks all!!
 
Oct 2, 2006
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If the guest comfort thing does not bother you From a pure performance standpoint they KILL most any comparable boat upwind and they hold there value well

I sold 2733 for 12000 in 1992 and 2930 is still worth 8000 in 2009

You can get like new sails at 1/2 price from the many owners who do the travel circuit and its EASY to find anything for the boat

I put a free add for my current J24 on the class web sight and other than one obvious BS response i am shocked at the interest in November
 
Nov 15, 2009
12
Homebuilt Lightning Vancouver
Nah the guest comfort thing doesn't bother me much.... I like the fact that they hold their value, cuz I'd probably end up selling it in the future when I decide to upgrade to something a bit bigger.

I'm 6'1"... Obviously I won't be able to stand up in many boats that perform well in the 22-26 foot range, but I'm fine with that for now... My main concern is if the v-berth is gonna be long enough for me...

The M242 has a 6'6" v-berth and the settee berths are also 6'6"
 
Oct 2, 2006
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I am 6'1" and the wife is 5'11" we bought are first J24 as a day sailor/weekend boat and used it that way untill we had are first children

Two simple curtains give the porta potty privacy between the forward and aft berths
 
Oct 2, 2006
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I sail it alone but you need something like a tiller tamer so you can hoist the sails and the main sail really needs to have slugs on it as when you lower a bolt rope main its hard to control solo
 
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