It's Flare Season

Apr 11, 2010
973
Hunter 38 Whitehall MI
Nice to see folks talking about setting off old flares for the experience!
I've taught wilderness survival for years and really pushed the point of people practicing with their emergency gear!
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Signal mirrors are another!
When I teach a class, I always bring an assortment of shiny object to include signal mirrors (not just the plastic ones sold in stores... but the large glass ones that are Coast Guard approved, as well).
I take them out to a very large field and have half the group head towards the sun, then have the other half attempt to 'flash' their partners.
They get to figure out if all those instructions from survival books actually work... and how to make them work if they do.
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While I'm just getting into sailing, I am already thinking I'd like to have both incendiary flares and an electronic light/flare.

My only dilemma is that practicing with the hand helds and the smoke flares was easy. The aireal flares not so much. I would have liked to fire some off but couldn't find a way to do that without creating a potential emergency response. I contacted the power squadron, the sheriffs department, the coast guard auxiliary and no one was able to offer me a "legal" way to shoot them off or dispose of them. Any suggestions?

On the question of approval, I did a lot of research and the information I found says the Weems product is Coast Guard approved.
 
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Jul 12, 2011
1,165
Leopard 40 Jupiter, Florida
A good suggestion made to me by a friend was to carry leather work gloves in the emergency cupboard for lighting handheld flares. Keeps your hands safe, and also useful for other boat jobs (everything on a boat should have two uses).
 
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Aug 13, 2012
533
Catalina 270 Ottawa
I don't think the "electronic flare" is approved for use in Canada. There is an effort underway to make CCG to approve it, but I don't think it has happened, yet.

I would assume that there would be an exception for US boats visiting.
 
Jun 21, 2004
2,887
Beneteau 343 Slidell, LA
The Weems & Plath strobe is definitely approved for use by the US Coast Guard. Just received a news letter from the local power & sail squadron instructing vessel safety examiners that the Coast Guard recognizes the strobe as an alternative instead of flares for visual distress signals. As Jackdaw mentioned, the thing really is bright and has an SOS signal. I purchased one from Defender a few months ago for approximately $75 using an Active Captain discount. I like it; I know that I have spent several hundred dollars over the years buying the old pyro flares.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,955
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
I would assume that there would be an exception for US boats visiting.
As I understand it the general rule when crossing borders is that you have to be in compliance with your home country's safety requirements. So a compliant US boat in Canadian waters would be OK. At least that's what I'm going to tell the CCG if they ever board me.

Orion makes white practice flares. Not cheap, but neither is your life.
FLARE 12 GAUGE WHITE AERIAL PRACTICE
 
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Feb 20, 2011
8,060
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Yep compelled is right, follow their rules or no coverage, these guys are running everything, auto, health, etc. There auto be a law!
It just reminds me of some old saying: "Everything not forbidden is compulsory!"

Or vice-versa, if you will.
 

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Feb 16, 2017
134
Hunter 28.5 Humboldt
My only dilemma is that practicing with the hand helds and the smoke flares was easy. The aireal flares not so much. I would have liked to fire some off but couldn't find a way to do that without creating a potential emergency response. I contacted the power squadron, the sheriffs department, the coast guard auxiliary and no one was able to offer me a "legal" way to shoot them off or dispose of them. Any suggestions?

On the question of approval, I did a lot of research and the information I found says the Weems product is Coast Guard approved.
Here's what I did when we fired off aerial flares in class...
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Now... we were doing this on land and using the small Orion Skyblazer flares.
I'd call our local Coast Guard (they have their helicopter unit here and do land-based assistance sometimes), and the Sheriff's Office to let them know when and where I would be firing off aerial flares.
To tell you the truth... I can recall times it seems the person on the other end of the line wasn't all that interested.
But... we never set off a SAR response, so maybe it helped?
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If you are at a marina, or wanting to do something offshore, here's what I would suggest... BUT... maybe other actual sailors can pipe in here? ;)
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I'd contact the Harbor Master, Coast Guard, and make a short public announcement over the air that an "Aerial Flare Demonstration will take place at ____________, at _____hrs". Then follow up after shooting off the flare(s) with another announcement, "Aerial Flare Demonstration at _________, has concluded"
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Wording can be whatever you think is best for your situation, and perhaps your Harbor Master or other, would like you to do something different.
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It's just a matter of walking in and/or calling, and describing what you want to do, why you want to do it, and what precautions you are taking. In my land-based exercises I always was thinking of fire hazard... having been a wildland firefighter once in my life...
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
In Canada it is not legal to fire off flares at any time unless in emergency situation.

Canadian Power Squadron has teamed up with CIL and have flare disposal days across Canada at various times during the season. Dates and locations are posted on their website.
 
Apr 11, 2010
973
Hunter 38 Whitehall MI
In Canada it is not legal to fire off flares at any time unless in emergency situation.

Canadian Power Squadron has teamed up with CIL and have flare disposal days across Canada at various times during the season. Dates and locations are posted on their website.
You are lucky. There doesn't seem to be anything like this in the U.S., at least not that I could find in our area.
 

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
I took a bag of old 12 gauge pistol flares up to my hillbilly stompin' grounds where the sound of gunshots and flash of incendiary rounds is part of the ambiance. They laughed at my whimpy aerial flares until...I set the bonfire off with a well aimed round (and a gallon of old lawnmower gas) from 75 feet off! I'm freakin' legendary amongst the bubbas now.
 
Mar 3, 2003
710
Hunter 356 Grand Rivers
My flares expire in May and I'm going with the electronic one this time. I've got a boatload of old flares and will keep them too. We have been discussing having a flare shoot in our Sailing Club. How do you go about setting it up with the Coast Guard?
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
Canadian Coast Guard is looking to revise some of the requirements for flares and reducing the number required if you sail no more than 5 nautical miles offshore as long as you have a 2 way radio on board.
I sent one of the contacts doing that research an email about the Weems and Plath light. I'll let everyone know what he has to say.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,586
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
A good suggestion made to me by a friend was to carry leather work gloves in the emergency cupboard for lighting handheld flares. Keeps your hands safe, and also useful for other boat jobs (everything on a boat should have two uses).
Like cleaning porgies.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Like cleaning porgies.
And retrieving anchors.

Helps save your hands. And if you sail in the med, recommend rubber gloves under the leather if you are anchoring in a small bay or a small port like Hydra. Many boats in the Med don't have holding tanks, and with flush wherever. Which makes the water in these tight areas a bacteria Petrie dish.
 
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Feb 16, 2017
134
Hunter 28.5 Humboldt
My flares expire in May and I'm going with the electronic one this time. I've got a boatload of old flares and will keep them too. We have been discussing having a flare shoot in our Sailing Club. How do you go about setting it up with the Coast Guard?
In my case... I just called the local Air Station.
I'm former Army.. we had Officer of the Day on duty 24/7... I think OOD for maritime is Officer of the Deck... not sure, but I basically asked to relay this information to the appropriate party there.
Your local Coast Guard base should have an individual who is responsible for contact with the public for items other than emergencies. Just find their number and call, or if you can, drop by and see someone in person (might have to make an appointment first to ensure someone is available and that you have authorization to get on base?)
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Again... I would approach from a safety aspect, have details as to where, when, how many flares to go up, and who all will be involved, as well as safety precautions you will take.
In my opinion, it would be better to approach as if you have thought this through than just show up and say, "Hey I'm gonna pop off bunch of flares this weekend! Just thought you'd like to know! Bye!" ;)
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
When we do this, we call the local Coast Guard station (USCG Bayfield) and ask to talk to the duty officer. When we get them on the phone, we ask permission to launch flares for a safety exercise. Depending on the circumstances, usually they grant that. But they ask us to do a Sécurité call an hour, a half an hour, and five minutes before we perform the exercise.

That call is fun to practice as well
 
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Jan 22, 2008
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Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
My local CG station will make the VHF calls for us, because they know we are on land and can't do VHF. Also we notify the DNR and fire department.
 
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Mar 3, 2003
710
Hunter 356 Grand Rivers
Thanks for the replies on whom you have contacted for a "Flare Day". I think we will contact the Coast Guard in advance, tell them our plans, call them just before and announce over VHF. When we have called in the past we have gotten no real procedure so have not done it.

Since you all that have have not had problems, I think we will set one up this year.
 
Jun 9, 2004
615
Catalina 385 Marquette. Mi
I have one....it is great, but I would guess most of the stink boaters out there would have no clue what the dot/dash SOS signal is. Maybe a disco party boat thing.....
That is exactly why I carry semaphores. :)

I was boarded last year by the USCG boys...they thought the new led flasher was cool, and yes, it is approved.
 
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