Is my oday 27 worth fixing?

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Feb 11, 2010
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oday 27 Kingston Ontario
Hello. I am a newbie to the site as well as a newbie sailer and boat owner. I have always wanted to sail and a few years ago I finally broke down and took lessons. I learned on a 24ft Shark. Being busy with three kids I let the sailing go although I purchased a 13ft cottage sailer. A friend of a friend came across an abandoned 1974 oday 27 that he wanted $1500 for. I couldn't see how I could go wrong. The Vire 7 engine runs. All of the rigging is there. Came on a craddle and I now have it in my yard. I was 44 years old and I told my wife even if it sits in the yard and I just dream it is worth the price. I am now 46 years old and have decided that life is too short and want to fix it up. It needs a lot of deck work (delamination due to water damage) and the rudder needs to be rebuilt. The interior needs work but nothing that I couldn't do myself. The main concern for me was to make sure that it was safe to sail. I have a price of approx. $7500 Can to repair the entire hull and I am getting another estimate next week. I have wondered if I should just buy a boat that is already to go but figured that I might just buy something that may end up needing work as well. Figure once that is hull is done I will know what I have.

any thoughts
I have kinda become attached to this boat.....may have already made up my mind.

there is a 1970 Bristol that "has nothing wrong with it" for $8000

Thanks to all for any comments

Glenn
 
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Hello. I am a newbie to the site as well as a newbie sailer and boat owner. I have always wanted to sail and a few years ago I finally broke down and took lessons. I learned on a 24ft Shark. Being busy with three kids I let the sailing go although I purchased a 13ft cottage sailer. A friend of a friend came across an abandoned 1974 oday 27 that he wanted $1500 for. I couldn't see how I could go wrong. The Vire 7 engine runs. All of the rigging is there. Came on a craddle and I now have it in my yard. I was 44 years old and I told my wife even if it sits in the yard and I just dream it is worth the price. I am now 46 years old and have decided that life is too short and want to fix it up. It needs a lot of deck work (delamination due to water damage) and the rudder needs to be rebuilt. The interior needs work but nothing that I couldn't do myself. The main concern for me was to make sure that it was safe to sail. I have a price of approx. $7500 Can to repair the entire hull and I am getting another estimate next week. I have wondered if I should just buy a boat that is already to go but figured that I might just buy something that may end up needing work as well. Figure once that is hull is done I will know what I have.

any thoughts
I have kinda become attached to this boat.....may have already made up my mind.

there is a 1970 Bristol that "has nothing wrong with it" for $8000

Thanks to all for any comments

Glenn
One of our club members had a 1974 O'Day 27 last year and sold it. The Vire engine had issues and he installed a bracket on the transom for an outboard. Compared to his later model O'Day 25, the O'Day 27 was faster according to him. He bought the boat at a price that he couldn't refuse and he had to rebuild the spade rudder. His 27 needed more work than he was willing to put into it. His wife liked the boat for it's roomy cabin, but I guess it's hard enough to own one boat in today's economy. If you like this boat, have someone do the fiberglass work on it and do the interior yourself. Good luck.
Joe
 
Dec 8, 2006
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Oday 26 Starr, SC
Hover 212 and KDS sail

One of our club members had a 1974 O'Day 27 last year and sold it. The Vire engine had issues and he installed a bracket on the transom for an outboard. Compared to his later model O'Day 25, the O'Day 27 was faster according to him. He bought the boat at a price that he couldn't refuse and he had to rebuild the spade rudder. His 27 needed more work than he was willing to put into it. His wife liked the boat for it's roomy cabin, but I guess it's hard enough to own one boat in today's economy. If you like this boat, have someone do the fiberglass work on it and do the interior yourself. Good luck.
Joe
Hover,

This and a related subject are being posted all over the place, that is on the the three forums. We have kdssail discussing replacing bulkheads on a 26 on http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/forumdisplay.php?f=66

Then we have you asking if a O27 worth fixing on http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=115720
where Barry said it is not worth fixing.

And we have this thread. This is the forum that has historically discussed these issues. The 26 was really an attempt to cover both the 25 and 27 markets before O'Day ceased.

The issues on a 27 are really no different from the same issues on a 23, 25, 26 or 28. O'Day used the same constuction techniques on all these boats. And often if the boats were made in the same years, the same parts were used, from what I have seen.

An O'Day is an old boat but might be worth fixing after gathering all the facts and evaluating costs involved.

Is the hull in generally good shape? Is the mast and boom in good shape? these are the two most important questions.

Then we get to deck, motor, standing rigging, sails, etc. Motors only last so long and are routinely replaced. Standing rigging is routinely replaced every so many years. Sail are routinely replace, and constantly repaired. Running rigging is constantly replaced. Caulking is an all the time project. This is sailboating.

In the discussion of the 26 there is the question of bulkheads. So, on the 27 what is the condition of bulkheads? Then on the 26 in replacing the bulkheads is costs of teak. Is teak required in a boat this age? Not in my mind.

Look to Keith's repair using a painted finish on marine plywood. For a 20+ year old boat that is not a genuine one of a kind antique, marine plywood is good and safe. It could be stained like teak or painted like Keith's.

About deck delamination, where and how much? Delamination is typical in these boats around chain plates, under mast and around any thru deck fittings. These areas can be fixed and made to look presentable and safe.

So, is the 27 worth fixing? Maybe? Remember that it does not have to be made to new, just to safe. The 27 had a reputation as fast and fun to sail. If shallow water is not an issue, then a O27 might be fun to sail.

Since you have the thing already, get actual estimates and see if you want to spend that money on a boat. Remember you will not get that money back on if you do not want it anymore.

But then there are no boats which you will get all your money back on unless possibly you do all the reconstuction and even then you will not get what you think it is worth. There are many old sailboats competing for a home rather than the dump.

In a time of slow economic times, many a small boat yard would offer a fair price for the work. Come down to South Carolina to where I keep my boat. They rebuild old boats all the time. Rebuilding takes time, if you start now you should be sailing by summer.

If you decide you do not want the boat, then you might want to find some organization like sea scouts that has a rebuilding program and just give it to them. Just to get it out of the yard quickly. Do not expect to recover the money already spent. Just chalk it up to learning. It might cost about what you paid to have it removed from your yard whereas if you give it away they will bear the costs.

Feel free to ask more questions. Study my technical attachment on this subject.

Ed K
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Oct 2, 2008
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Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
Ed is correct in all he posted. If you have DIY skills and a little time you will end up being glad your did you own work. Start with the Don Casey's "This Old Boat". Check out all the blogs and videos you can find. I would allow that you will spend one to two years redoing your boat, but the stuff you will learn and the pride you will have will be priceless. I personally would not get other people to do the work unless you have tried it yourself and failed.
It is not hard to get a safe and strong repair for a fiberglass boat. It is a little difficult to get a repair that looks like a factory finish, but it can still look pretty damn good, even for an amature. Fiberglass is pretty forgiving stuff to work with.
In my opinion, if you are not a do it yourselfer, then you probably are much better off getting a new or nearly new boat and expect to spend money on getting other's to maintaine even that. That is why to me there is no substitute for doing it yourself cuz you gotta sooner or later make the repair. Sailboats are like Vegetable Gardens, you aint never done.....;)
To see if this is something you want to do, check out my album and other post such as "that sinking feeling", "trouble with compression post", "sailors helping sailors", "buff magic" and lots of others.
Keith
 
Sep 3, 2007
70
2 25 Narragansett Bay RI
I have to agree with all the posts. I too have 3 kids and a very busy professional life. With that said, my goal was to have a boat to sail that I would 1. Know inside and out, 2. Not have a boat payment and 3. Something that would be safe and fun to sail. I picked up my O'day 25 and it had "some" issues....my friend, they all do.

When your buying a 25 to 30 year old boat, you have to realize that you will have to do more than routine maintenance to get into an affordable boat. I, for one, find working on the boat almost as relaxing as sailing. I agree than the Don Casey books will take you a long way. Fiberglass work isn't hard, but there is an art there. Nice thing is, if you mess it up, do it over!

I bought an old Kells and I was going to "rebuild" her....but it was a terrible boat. My thoughts is, work on a boat that you want to sail..that has a good reputation.

I got my 25 and have had no regrets...and no payments either! But I've also poured some money in for updates, (new sails, lifelines, etc). If I didn't like working on it, I would just go to the marina and rent a boat by the hour...much, much cheaper than maintaining a mooring and spending all that time doing maintenance.

I have a blog of my boat, about buying and sailing it (hasn't been updated in awhile, but hey!).
http://www.sseverlong.blogspot.com/
 
Oct 11, 2008
69
Oday 23 Lake Monticello
I'm like you. I'm a 35 year old with 2 sons (7 and 5 years old). I own a small advertising agency and work about 50-70 hours a week and have always wanted to sail.

I took a series of sailing lessons in April/May 2009 in Columbia, SC.

I bought an Oday 23 in May 2009. Paid $2900 for it from a guy who's dad died and left it to him. I put $1300 into a Tohatsu 6 hp outboard, $100 into a 4 stroke engine mount plate, $100-200 into mooring ball and various lines, and probably another $300-$400 in various "extras"

I haven't bought anything else for it. I keep it at a medium sized lake in Columbia....moored off my inlaws lake house lot.

I'm done putting $$ into it. I'm not shining the wood or stainless every weekend.

I sail the heck out of it when I can from March-Oct.

Buy the starter sailboat. See how much time you have to put into the hobby and then go from there. You can always change in the future.

Kevin
 
Sep 16, 2009
68
ODAY 25 Lake Travis
I Have to agree with Ed, Keith, Kevin...everyone. I too entered into the O'day family by scooping up a 30 yr old O'25 last fall. I think everyone here will agree: An older boat is full of surprises both good and bad! My suggestion to you is: jump in, get your wife and the family involved, redesign it to your custom spec's! Thats what we're doing and we love it. Working together is a thrill and completing a phase is very rewarding. There isn't a lot of opportunity these days with our busy and separate lives for a couple, or even a family to share this special kind of project. Keep an album of your project too. Our boat is seaworthy... well, lake-worthy as we are Austin Tx. It's a great sail, and an adventure almost always! First, do what you need to do to get it in the water and enjoy her (safely of course). Then discuss the fine tuning - a monetary investment could pay off more than you could ever imagine when you bring on some great partners!
 
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