I recently bought a used boat with a Yanmar inboard. The previous owner could only say the engine doesn't start. I am suspicious that it may have been submerged. A Yanmar technician will be inspecting it in two weeks. Does anyone know what salt water does to a marine engine? I know auto engines may as well be thrown away when exposed to salt water. The tech. said these engines are cooled with salt water. Is there any difference between an inboard marine engine and an automobile engine besides the active coolant system? Any ideas, experiences and knowledge are appreciated. Thank you, Mark
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Is it dead,maybe
If that's an inboard engine and you suspect that it was submerged, then the boat had to be sunk, or at least, full of water. Yeah, you can reclaim the engine but better let a diesel mechanic do it. Allmost all marine engines are cooled by salt water, some by direct circulation and others by a heat exchanger. Depending on how long it's been sitting, it could be frozen completely or just full of water. Bob McCullough
If that's an inboard engine and you suspect that it was submerged, then the boat had to be sunk, or at least, full of water. Yeah, you can reclaim the engine but better let a diesel mechanic do it. Allmost all marine engines are cooled by salt water, some by direct circulation and others by a heat exchanger. Depending on how long it's been sitting, it could be frozen completely or just full of water. Bob McCullough
Could be trouble
When our boat nearly sank last year the very first thing the yard mechanic did (after pumping out the water) was to tackle the engine repairs. He removed the air filter, changed the oil and oil filter twice and changed the various fuel filters. He then shut off the fuel flow and cranked over the engine to be sure no water got into the fuel injectors or cylinders. After he determined that everything was OK he started the engine and ran it under load for about an hour to get everything dried out. Then the starter and alternator were replaced, the oil and filter changed yet again and the entire engine sprayed with preserving oil. IF your engine ingested salt water and it was not taken care of immeadiatly there could be a lot of damage to the cylinders, valves, pistons, bearings and other internal components. This would requre, at the very least, a complete rebuild of the engine. Also, if the engine was submerged the starter and alternator are toast, there is no way these compnents can survive being dunked in salt water. Also, you will want to check the transmission to see if any water entered it.
When our boat nearly sank last year the very first thing the yard mechanic did (after pumping out the water) was to tackle the engine repairs. He removed the air filter, changed the oil and oil filter twice and changed the various fuel filters. He then shut off the fuel flow and cranked over the engine to be sure no water got into the fuel injectors or cylinders. After he determined that everything was OK he started the engine and ran it under load for about an hour to get everything dried out. Then the starter and alternator were replaced, the oil and filter changed yet again and the entire engine sprayed with preserving oil. IF your engine ingested salt water and it was not taken care of immeadiatly there could be a lot of damage to the cylinders, valves, pistons, bearings and other internal components. This would requre, at the very least, a complete rebuild of the engine. Also, if the engine was submerged the starter and alternator are toast, there is no way these compnents can survive being dunked in salt water. Also, you will want to check the transmission to see if any water entered it.
Hate to tell you!
Mark, if the engine was sunk, obviously the boat was too. You are probably going to have wiring problems coming your way. Salt water will eventually corrode your electrical connections, switches and probably your instruments. You might also check for delamination of your bulkheads too. What makes you think your boat's been down?? Sorry!
Mark, if the engine was sunk, obviously the boat was too. You are probably going to have wiring problems coming your way. Salt water will eventually corrode your electrical connections, switches and probably your instruments. You might also check for delamination of your bulkheads too. What makes you think your boat's been down?? Sorry!
Is it dead? How about fresh water...
Thanks Bob for the advice, you seem quite knowledgeable how about fresh water, would plain H20 have an effect as well, (rain water sans Ohio smoke stack pollution we New Englanders experience, "acid rain").
Thanks Bob for the advice, you seem quite knowledgeable how about fresh water, would plain H20 have an effect as well, (rain water sans Ohio smoke stack pollution we New Englanders experience, "acid rain").
Mark, mine went through more than one dose
of cascading rain water. One time the boat was flooded with thousands of gallons of storm water from hurricane Louise on Antigua. It stayed that way for a year because the yard didn't care and told me the boat was fine! Antigua is the worst place on earth. I say it every chance I get! Anyway back to water. I was able to get the engine running but it was tough. And because I was in the 4th world, (Antigua isn't good enough to be 3rd world) the repair was not what it should have been and led to many more problems. I completely rebuilt the engine after we brought the boat home in later years. Lesson learned? NEVER store your boat in the tropics. One test you can do, will tell you a lot. Open the compression release lever(s) and try to move the crankshaft. You can do so by pulling on the fan belt. If that won't move the crank, use a wrench on the crank snout if you have a center, bolt head. Otherwise use two bolts in the PTO receivers and turn the crank with a pry bar. If it won't move, locate the nearest dumpster. You're going to need it.
of cascading rain water. One time the boat was flooded with thousands of gallons of storm water from hurricane Louise on Antigua. It stayed that way for a year because the yard didn't care and told me the boat was fine! Antigua is the worst place on earth. I say it every chance I get! Anyway back to water. I was able to get the engine running but it was tough. And because I was in the 4th world, (Antigua isn't good enough to be 3rd world) the repair was not what it should have been and led to many more problems. I completely rebuilt the engine after we brought the boat home in later years. Lesson learned? NEVER store your boat in the tropics. One test you can do, will tell you a lot. Open the compression release lever(s) and try to move the crankshaft. You can do so by pulling on the fan belt. If that won't move the crank, use a wrench on the crank snout if you have a center, bolt head. Otherwise use two bolts in the PTO receivers and turn the crank with a pry bar. If it won't move, locate the nearest dumpster. You're going to need it.
consider it dead
I just went trou that with my engine...slat water cooling system let go inside. It would turn over but never start. After attempting to fix it myself i found a mechanis and made the following decisions. 1 we could over ahul the engine and maybe get a ew more years out of it.....lotrs of salt water damage unable to correct, or replace with newer engine and get fresh water cooling right off the bat.....the cost was about twenty percenc higher to replace but the warrenties and such are great..everything being new...We decided to replace....the better decision i beleive.....good luck
I just went trou that with my engine...slat water cooling system let go inside. It would turn over but never start. After attempting to fix it myself i found a mechanis and made the following decisions. 1 we could over ahul the engine and maybe get a ew more years out of it.....lotrs of salt water damage unable to correct, or replace with newer engine and get fresh water cooling right off the bat.....the cost was about twenty percenc higher to replace but the warrenties and such are great..everything being new...We decided to replace....the better decision i beleive.....good luck
To J.B. Dyer
Hi, in answer to your question, I don't know, I'm taking the worst case scenario. The boat has been sitting on land for a while, for some reason the cockpit drainage hoses were unattached from the hull causing rain water to drain directly into the hull. The cloth decor, (hull-liner) has fallen off from the foam on the hull walls, which leads me to believe it may have been exposed to water. The boat in general is in good condition for it's age. The decks don't crack or creak, the hull is solid, most of the interior wood (teak) is firm and in good condition. You mentioned "bulkheads". Pardon my ignorance, what is a bulkhead?
Hi, in answer to your question, I don't know, I'm taking the worst case scenario. The boat has been sitting on land for a while, for some reason the cockpit drainage hoses were unattached from the hull causing rain water to drain directly into the hull. The cloth decor, (hull-liner) has fallen off from the foam on the hull walls, which leads me to believe it may have been exposed to water. The boat in general is in good condition for it's age. The decks don't crack or creak, the hull is solid, most of the interior wood (teak) is firm and in good condition. You mentioned "bulkheads". Pardon my ignorance, what is a bulkhead?
Fred Ficarra
Fred, there are never any guarantees on Wall St. however, I know a bit about this sort of thing. Revs. 1 year have had a 136% increase year over year, net income year over year has had a 897% increase, cash flow is 498%, debt is low, ROE is 21%, multiples are low to industry at 30 and the intrinsic value is 39.50 per share. I bought the stock last week, it has since gone up approx. 2 dollars and the MACD shows the stock has run down and the moving averages are converging.
Fred, there are never any guarantees on Wall St. however, I know a bit about this sort of thing. Revs. 1 year have had a 136% increase year over year, net income year over year has had a 897% increase, cash flow is 498%, debt is low, ROE is 21%, multiples are low to industry at 30 and the intrinsic value is 39.50 per share. I bought the stock last week, it has since gone up approx. 2 dollars and the MACD shows the stock has run down and the moving averages are converging.
Thanks Mark,
I leave that sort of thing to my mother. The only rule I know is 'don't invest if in debt'. (mortgage). Moms' was paid off years ago, mine will be next year. I'll look you up after that. Thanks again.
I leave that sort of thing to my mother. The only rule I know is 'don't invest if in debt'. (mortgage). Moms' was paid off years ago, mine will be next year. I'll look you up after that. Thanks again.
To Mark
Bummer Mark! Lack of attention will kill a boat faster than an unmarked reef. It's a shame that anyone ignores a boat to death. It's a possibility that it hasn't been sunk, just tons of humidity due to the accumulation of water in a closed up boat over a period of time. A bulkhead is just a fancy name for a wall. If you have a laminate veneer partitions, walls, bulkheads, whatever, check around the bottoms and see if there is any signs of watermarks or separations of the veneer. That could give you a pretty good idea of how high the water got. It is a further possibility that the engine hasn't been under water. When they are left unattended for an extended period of time with no maintenance, condensation can build up inside of the engine due to the humidity and changes of temperature. This is still a problem, mainly due to the rings rusting to the cylinder walls. No less of a rebuild problem though, but it might mean less problems in other areas. Again, Good Luck!
Bummer Mark! Lack of attention will kill a boat faster than an unmarked reef. It's a shame that anyone ignores a boat to death. It's a possibility that it hasn't been sunk, just tons of humidity due to the accumulation of water in a closed up boat over a period of time. A bulkhead is just a fancy name for a wall. If you have a laminate veneer partitions, walls, bulkheads, whatever, check around the bottoms and see if there is any signs of watermarks or separations of the veneer. That could give you a pretty good idea of how high the water got. It is a further possibility that the engine hasn't been under water. When they are left unattended for an extended period of time with no maintenance, condensation can build up inside of the engine due to the humidity and changes of temperature. This is still a problem, mainly due to the rings rusting to the cylinder walls. No less of a rebuild problem though, but it might mean less problems in other areas. Again, Good Luck!
We bought a 79 Hunter 30 that was seriously underpowered with an Yanmar which had already been rebuilt at least once. It died a spectacular death one day as we were motoring away from the mooring. We had already put over $ 600 into it and it was only the 2nd year that we owned the boat. Rather than rebuild we opted to put in a new 18Hpwr Westerbeke (sp?). It's got to be better than that darn Yanmar that made the whole boat vibrate so much when it ran that all the doors clattered. Of course, the fact that the prop turned out to be bent probably had something to do with the vibration. Sounds like you got yourself a project boat too. What did you decide to do about your hull liner? I told you about the indoor/outdoor carpeting. We are going to take to tarp of the boat sometime this month and get to work putting the boat back together. I will be ordering my carpeting soon.
To: Tammy
Yes, thank you for the hulliner idea. I have gone to both Home Depot and Lowes to look at indoor/outdoor carpet. I like the deep marine backed in/out carpet. It is a bit thicker for cushioning. If you want the real-McCoy I have a website for you to look at albeit expensive. www.garysupholstery.com I have done alot of research in the last six weeks so if we can help each other out that would make life easier. Good sailing, Mark Crociati mcrociati@aol.com
Yes, thank you for the hulliner idea. I have gone to both Home Depot and Lowes to look at indoor/outdoor carpet. I like the deep marine backed in/out carpet. It is a bit thicker for cushioning. If you want the real-McCoy I have a website for you to look at albeit expensive. www.garysupholstery.com I have done alot of research in the last six weeks so if we can help each other out that would make life easier. Good sailing, Mark Crociati mcrociati@aol.com
I/O carpeting
Mark, Try Building 19 if you have one nearby. My wife drags me out there and usually I hate to go, but they have a good selection of carpet priced far below the others. I didn't see any damaged stuff, just odd lots. It might be what you're looking for and it could save you towards paying the tech. worth a look.
Mark, Try Building 19 if you have one nearby. My wife drags me out there and usually I hate to go, but they have a good selection of carpet priced far below the others. I didn't see any damaged stuff, just odd lots. It might be what you're looking for and it could save you towards paying the tech. worth a look.
To Tammy
I want to hear about that spectacular death. Also your spelling of Westerbeke is close enough, but I want to know how to PRONOUNCE IT. I have been into this stuff for over 30 years and have never heard the name verbalized.
I want to hear about that spectacular death. Also your spelling of Westerbeke is close enough, but I want to know how to PRONOUNCE IT. I have been into this stuff for over 30 years and have never heard the name verbalized.
Thanks Fred for breaking the pronunciation..
barrier. I've been wanting to ask a few questions for a long time. For instance, is it 'WES-tur-beaky' or WES-tur -becky'? Is it 'BEN-a-tow' or BEN-a-two'? Is it the 'CARE-a-BEE-ANN or the 'CRIBBIEN'? I've been told throughout my travels that I don't really speak English (yea, no kiddin') but that I speak 'Calfornan' (sp). So, help out a language-challenged person here, sright?
barrier. I've been wanting to ask a few questions for a long time. For instance, is it 'WES-tur-beaky' or WES-tur -becky'? Is it 'BEN-a-tow' or BEN-a-two'? Is it the 'CARE-a-BEE-ANN or the 'CRIBBIEN'? I've been told throughout my travels that I don't really speak English (yea, no kiddin') but that I speak 'Calfornan' (sp). So, help out a language-challenged person here, sright?
Jeff, the only one I'm sure of is Caribbean
It is named after the Carib Indians. So, say; Carib be ann.
It is named after the Carib Indians. So, say; Carib be ann.
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Fred got the syllabification right, However, pronounciation does vary depending on who says it and where. A couple of examples: Most Americans say "kuh-RIB-ian" or "KRIB-ian" depending on where in the US they're from. Depending on the island, locals on the street say "KYARR-bi-an" or "KYARRY-bi-an" (check out Bob Marley singing "Buffalo Soldier"), However in formal company or official business (check out any West Indian radio or TV newscaster) you are just as likely to hear "ka-RIB-bi-an", which is the way most Brits would say it. Part of the colonial legacy, I guess. On a related note, I always thought it was "wester-BEEK". Oh well.... Peter H23 "Raven"
Fred got the syllabification right, However, pronounciation does vary depending on who says it and where. A couple of examples: Most Americans say "kuh-RIB-ian" or "KRIB-ian" depending on where in the US they're from. Depending on the island, locals on the street say "KYARR-bi-an" or "KYARRY-bi-an" (check out Bob Marley singing "Buffalo Soldier"), However in formal company or official business (check out any West Indian radio or TV newscaster) you are just as likely to hear "ka-RIB-bi-an", which is the way most Brits would say it. Part of the colonial legacy, I guess. On a related note, I always thought it was "wester-BEEK". Oh well.... Peter H23 "Raven"
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