Irwin 34

[grandbanksmisty]

HELP PLEASE!

MY IRWIN 34 LOST HER TOPPING LIFT AND JIB HALYARD DURING THE LAST BIG STORM IN THE SACRAMENTO AREA. I LIVE IN OREGON AND THEREFORE CANNOT MEASURE THE SIZE OR LINGTH OF THESE LINES ALSO THE 130% SELF FURLING JIB FOUND A WAY TO UNFURL AND SELF DESTRUCT. I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE IT WITH A 100% JIB AS THIS WAS A LOW WIND SO. CAL. BOAT AND IN THE SAC. AREA IS THE OPPISITE AND IF ANYONE KNOWS THE CORRECT SAIL DIMENSIONS I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. I WANT TO PURCHASE THE LINES AND SAIL PRIOR TO THE 800 MILE TRIP TO THE BOAT SO I CAN MAXIMIZE MY TIME ON REPAIRS. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHER IRWIN OWNERS SO I CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT MY BOAT AS ITS MY FIRST SAILBOAT. I HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN A GRAND BANKS OWNER FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.

THANK YOU

Dennis & Terri Ginger
541-219-0606

 

[sailingdog]

Welcome to the light...

If this is a standard rig Irwin 34 Citation, the mast is 46.3" tall. Halyards that are a bit over double the mast height should work fairly well...say 115' long by 3/8" or 9/16". If you've lead the halyards back to the cockpit, you'd probably want to add another 15' or so to them.

According to Mauri Pro's website, the I & J measurements for the Irwin 34 are 42.0' and 13.8' respectively. However, I would highly recommend you call a rigger or sail loft and have them measure the boat, as many changes may have been made to the boat.

 

[Dave Groshong]

I have rig dimensions for the I34 Citation as follows:

"I"= 42.0 "J"= 13.75 "P"=37.00 "E"= 13.50

We can certainly build you a halyard and topping lift, but the sail, you would either need to send the old one in, or measure, at least the maximum luff.

Any chance someone near the boat could do a few measurements?

Give me a call if you'd like to discuss this further.

877-932-7245 x116, Mon-Fri, 9-5 Pacific.

 

[sailingdog]

Measuring the maximum luff isn't going to work as IIRC, the OP's sail was shredded.

I have rig dimensions for the I34 Citation as follows:

"I"= 42.0 "J"= 13.75 "P"=37.00 "E"= 13.50

We can certainly build you a halyard and topping lift, but the sail, you would either need to send the old one in, or measure, at least the maximum luff.

Any chance someone near the boat could do a few measurements?

Give me a call if you'd like to discuss this further.

877-932-7245 x116, Mon-Fri, 9-5 Pacific.

 

[grandbanksmisty]

Thanks saildog,
I can at least buy the new lines, I think I will go with the 3/8 and add the extra footage (easier to cut a little off than glue more on) this jib sail is going to be a pain in the transom I think!
Dennis & Terri

 

[Steve Dion]

Dennis:

Where in Sac. do you keep your boat?

 

[sailingdog]

Glad to help... Sorry I couldn't help with the sail...

 

[Dave Groshong]

SailingDog, I was talking about measuring the boat for maximum luff as all furler installations are slightly different.

 

[sailingdog]

SailingDog, I was talking about measuring the boat for maximum luff as all furler installations are slightly different.

Yes, I am aware of that... as the foils may be cut at different lengths... but as I said, the OP's only head sail has been shredded, so it will require someone going out to the boat to measure it. Your previous post mentioned measuring the maximum luff of the sail... which is why I worded my reply the way I did.

 

[grandbanksmisty]

Boat Location

Dennis:

Where in Sac. do you keep your boat?

in your backyard...Isleton at Rivers Edege..(the old Rainbow Resort)

Dennis

 

[Steve Dion]

my gawd man, you can almost swim to Hidden Harbor. You may also want to consider joining the YC!

Please note: Anyone that wishes to join our Yacht Club and takes it too serious will be dismissed! <g>

 

[grandbanksmisty]

Sailingdog,
Went to Minnies website and they have 3 sails with the measurements 42-39-13.9 and a half dozen slighty smaller. As I mentioned in my request for help I am new to this and would be better off smalled than something difficult for my wife and I to handle. Were not so young anymore but still a bit crazy.

Thanks Again
Dennis & Terri

 

[grandbanksmisty]

Steve,
Maybe years ago I could have dogpaddled that far however in my advanced years that is no longer feasable. I have a partner that lives on Ryer @ Snug Harbor a crazy bass fisherman with multiple bass boats and a nice house. See him when we make the trip south. Do you know any riggers in the area other than going down to the bay area? That is a full day each way.
Dennis & Terri

 

[sailingdog]

I'd hold off on getting a sail until you can get someone to measure the foil's maximum hoist or maximum luff.

This is relatively easy to do...by attaching a line to the shackle on the furler’s upper swivel and then hoisting the swivel... and then marking the line at the point of the tack swivel on the drum. You'd obviously want something a bit shorter than whatever the line measures out to to account for the sail stretching slightly. If you get a sail that is much shorter than that, you'll probably want/need a tack pennant made up so that the top swivel hoists far enough up to reduce the risk of a halyard wrap.

 

[grandbanksmisty]

I Agree,
I need to measure the foil size as well I guess, from what I am reading a #6 is most common..like I said a real pain in the transom.
Dennis

 

[Mike1956]

Just some advice to those who have furlers. When you furl the headsail, before leaving the boat, take a piece of nylon webbing or a small diameter piece of line and make about 4 or 5 wraps around the furled sail, then tie a reefing knot in it. This is insurance that will prevent accidental unfurling of the sail and the damage that our friend suffered, not to mention all the work and expense to get a replacement headsail. I'll bet that over 90% of us who have furlers do not do this. I fall into the remaining 10%, because I paid a lot for my sail and I want to keep it.

 

[sailingdog]

You should also put enough wraps on the drum so that when you furl the sail, you have at last two or three full wraps of the sheets around the sail. The sheets should be cleated off, as should the furling line, not merely left in the self-tailer on the winch. The extra wraps with a sail tie are a good precaution if you're going to be away from the boat for an extended period of time or are expecting a storm. However, if you are expecting a very bad storm, taking the sail down is the best safety measure.

Just some advice to those who have furlers. When you furl the headsail, before leaving the boat, take a piece of nylon webbing or a small diameter piece of line and make about 4 or 5 wraps around the furled sail, then tie a reefing knot in it. This is insurance that will prevent accidental unfurling of the sail and the damage that our friend suffered, not to mention all the work and expense to get a replacement headsail. I'll bet that over 90% of us who have furlers do not do this. I fall into the remaining 10%, because I paid a lot for my sail and I want to keep it.